Germany GERMANY 2024 - Isaak - Always on the Run

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[mauve]

Same! And it even stuck a little for this year: I've seen people check out our NF selection that never cared for ESC before. It, ehm... let to a lot of disappointment that Versengold, Vinta, From Fall To Spring ect. aren't there, but that's not LOTLs fault

I wasn't too fond of the song that Versengold would have sent. FFTS was (at least what we could tell from the teaser) not as powerful as last year. I liked Vinta, but am not certain if it would have done well at ESC. But I guess all these songs would have made the NF more diverse.

 

[HarryUK]

Are there odds anywhere for this NF?

 

[ESC94]

Are there odds anywhere for this NF?

Not yet I think.

 

[I bims]

Not yet I think.

Have there been odds for last year?
Can't remember. They are usually really wrong anyway.

 

[mauve]

I guess when it is completed. So next Thursday or Friday, I think.

 

[HarryUK]

Have there been odds for last year?
Can't remember. They are usually really wrong anyway.

That was me betting 10 grand on Ikke & skewing it

 

[Jupiter]

I wasn't too fond of the song that Versengold would have sent. FFTS was (at least what we could tell from the teaser) not as powerful as last year. I liked Vinta, but am not certain if it would have done well at ESC. But I guess all these songs would have made the NF more diverse.

I doubt any of them would have done well at ESC - but neither will most of our current selection
But it would have solidified the impression from last year, that NDR is willing to try out a few more options. The impression that Electric Callboy or Grossstadtgeflüster could apply and would actually be considered. Now, the selection looks again like plenty of artists shouldn't even try (outside of Galant, but that really has "picked them so we can call it diversity" vibes bcs it sticks out so much).

 

[mauve]

Voting system at the NF:

“First, eight international juries will evaluate according to the ESC scoring system (1-12 points). There are five music professionals in eight different countries (just like at the ESC) who evaluate the performances from the dress rehearsal from the previous evening. The totals are then converted back into 1-12. The act that is in first place according to the jury vote has 12 points, the second 10, the third 8, and then 6 to 1.
The act that received the most votes in the audience voting (calls / SMS / online voting) gets 12 points, the second best gets 10, etc.
Whoever has the most points in total wins. In the event of a tie for first place, the higher score from the public will decide who goes to Malmö.
With TELEVOTING, everyone can call a maximum of 20 times or send 20 SMS messages.
Both online voting and televoting only work within Germany.

In online voting you can vote once per device during the voting period.
a vote from online voting counts just as much as a call or text message
Online voting takes place parallel to televoting (not earlier)
The time window is not yet 100% certain, but it will be around 15-20 minutes
14 cents per call and max. 20 cents per SMS."

 

[ESC94]

Voting system at the NF:

“First, eight international juries will evaluate according to the ESC scoring system (1-12 points). There are five music professionals in eight different countries (just like at the ESC) who evaluate the performances from the dress rehearsal from the previous evening. The totals are then converted back into 1-12. The act that is in first place according to the jury vote has 12 points, the second 10, the third 8, and then 6 to 1.
The act that received the most votes in the audience voting (calls / SMS / online voting) gets 12 points, the second best gets 10, etc.
Whoever has the most points in total wins. In the event of a tie for first place, the higher score from the public will decide who goes to Malmö.
With TELEVOTING, everyone can call a maximum of 20 times or send 20 SMS messages.
Both online voting and televoting only work within Germany.

In online voting you can vote once per device during the voting period.
a vote from online voting counts just as much as a call or text message
Online voting takes place parallel to televoting (not earlier)
The time window is not yet 100% certain, but it will be around 15-20 minutes
14 cents per call and max. 20 cents per SMS."

Don´t know what to thinkt about that.

 

[Paco Roca]

Finally some good songs! I'm surprised! I liked them all! It's difficult to draw up a ranking:

1. Luca M. Wefes: beautiful song. It speaks of freedom and its strength lies in simplicity. Who would have thought that the singer also sang in Italian?
2. Ann Im: beautiful and enveloping sound. I would see him well as an ESC competitor.
3. Bibiane Z: It gave me a bit of an idea of Adele. Great song, great ESC competitor.
4. Floryan: the one I liked the least but qualitatively it's not bad at all. She reminded me of Gjon's Tears. He too could be a viable contender for ESC.

Well done Germany! I will never stop thanking you. You finally made my ears stop bleeding

 

[I bims]

Don´t know what to thinkt about that.

It's actually 50:50 this time, last year it was heavily favouring the televote.
And with this selection I prefer the song to be chose that is actually liked by the jury cause then it's more likely that we will get points in May. We can't rely on the televote for points and nothing here is televotefriendly anyway.

 

[mauve]

Don´t know what to thinkt about that.

I don't know either. People at ESC Kompakt say to prevent powervoting. Is that so? If that was the case, Marie Reim won't have much advantage?

 

[mauve]

Finally some good songs! I'm surprised! I liked them all! It's difficult to draw up a ranking:

1. Luca M. Wefes: beautiful song. It speaks of freedom and its strength lies in simplicity. Who would have thought that the singer also sang in Italian?
2. Ann Im: beautiful and enveloping sound. I would see him well as an ESC competitor.
3. Bibiane Z: It gave me a bit of an idea of Adele. Great song, great ESC competitor.
4. Floryan: the one I liked the least but qualitatively it's not bad at all. She reminded me of Gjon's Tears. He too could be a viable contender for ESC.

Well done Germany! I will never stop thanking you. You finally made my ears stop bleeding

Then you are probably the only one liking these songs.
By the way, Luca I think lived in Sicily (he is half Italian?). Don't know exactly, but he has connections there.

 

[I bims]

I don't know either. People at ESC Kompakt say to prevent powervoting. Is that so? If that was the case, Marie Reim won't have much advantage?

Yes it's actually creating an even playing field for know acts vs unknown acts.

If Marie gets 20.000 Votes as the first place she will get 12 points. Let's say Ryk only gets 4.000 votes but is still 3rd place in the voting, he would still get 8 points and wouldn't be far behind and still has a shot to win.

 

[Jupiter]

In theory, I don't like the voting change. Public > Jury IMO, because it's about what Germans want to have representing them. I prefer the System from last year (tho LOTL would have won either way). But this year it fits the general "let's send Jury bait" strategy so.... yeah. And this also reduces Max' chances, so that is a plus (I'm sorry, but that song is just so unvelieveably bland).

 

[mauve]

Yes it's actually creating an even playing field for know acts vs unknown acts.

If Marie gets 20.000 Votes as the first place she will get 12 points. Let's say Ryk only gets 4.000 votes but is still 3rd place in the voting, he would still get 8 points and wouldn't be far behind and still has a shot to win.

Ah okay. Now I get it! Thank you!

 

[Paco Roca]

Then you are probably the only one liking these songs.
By the way, Luca I think lived in Sicily (he is half Italian?). Don't know exactly, but he has connections there.

I have to say they are nice songs. Obviously they won't win the ESC and reach the top 10 but they're not in the bottom 5. I didn't know Luca was Italian I was surprised to listen a German contestant singing in Italian.

 

[lasse braun]

germany 2024 thread (incl. tones of esc-kompakt threads) heavy bla bla bla overdose.

 

[I bims]

In theory, I don't like the voting change. Public > Jury IMO, because it's about what Germans want to have representing them. I prefer the System from last year (tho LOTL would have won either way). But this year it fits the general "let's send Jury bait" strategy so.... yeah. And this also reduces Max' chances, so that is a plus (I'm sorry, but that song is just so unvelieveably bland).

I made a small list how the results of last year would look like with a similar system as this year (12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1, 0 point system tho)

When there's a tie usually the televote score is the deciding factor so this is what it would look like. The smaller artists would've been much more competitive against the established artists (Ikke and LotL together got more than 50% of the whole televote), with the televote favourite still having quite the advantage even if the jury tanks them.

I think Ryk has really a good chance at winning.

 

[mauve]

I made a small list how the results of last year would look like with a similar system as this year (12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1, 0 point system tho)

When there's a tie usually the televote score is the deciding factor so this is what it would look like. The smaller artists would've been much more competitive against the established artists (Ikke and LotL together got more than 50% of the whole televote), with the televote favourite still having quite the advantage even if the jury tanks them.

I think Ryk has really a good chance at winning.

That's really interesting. Especially Ikke looses with this system. So maybe Marie can have the same "fate" as well in case the Juries will rate her low. I truly hope that Ryk will make it. He (and maybe Bodine a bit) could be the only ones dragging us out of the bottom.