EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

[MopManMoss]

How funny would it be if Ireland somehow snapped next year and won

Dublin 2024 in the Meridian Peanut Butter Arena

 

[Semra]

Can we appreciate Czechia for doing staging on a low budget and looking excellent?

Together with Armenia they ended up being my favorite and I can't understand the public vote. I would think this would be more popular with the public vs the juries. So happy they made it into top 10 though.

 

[midnightsun]

No shade but this one kinda reminded me of the people who say stuff like "I can't be racist. I have black friends."

Would be true if I didn’t like any other Swedish song but sorry, I like at least half their songs of the past 15 years and if I do they are always in my top 5!

It was just to show I loved Sweden even when nobody else did

 

[0scar]

Imagine if the votes announced in detail during the show were actually the public's (which I actually believe they should be tbh), Kaarija celebrating every two minutes as he's awarded eighteen 12s and then Sweden wins it without a second's screen time (they received not a single public 12) because of 185 jury members. It's honestly astonishing to think about it.

I'm still thinking about this and I still can't progress how this would have looked on tv

 

[HarryUK]

Dublin 2024 in the Meridian Peanut Butter Arena

Tesco Mary will be seconded to provide meal deals in the arena

 

[crashworld]

Imagine if the votes announced in detail during the show were actually the public's (which I actually believe they should be tbh), Kaarija celebrating every two minutes as he's awarded eighteen 12s and then Sweden wins it without a second's screen time (they received not a single public 12) because of 185 jury members.

For technicality sake, Loreen would still get a limited screentime because replicating the same announcement order, she would be 2nd in the televote during the 2nd break when they announced the top 5 after 20 countries have voted. And during the actual jury vote announcement, the second place (Italy) was interviewed by the host.

But I get what you mean. And the meltdown from the arena would even be so much more visible if the televote 12 points was announced in detail instead and then Loreen won it in the end.

 

[AlekS]

(it's real, not photoshop)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1657510182564384771

 

[MopManMoss]

(it's real, not photoshop)

Anna Odobescu must be living in fear

 

[midnightsun]

(it's real, not photoshop)

And I thought Germans are well-organized and efficient

 

[cegs5]

I want to believe EBU is well aware that the Eurovision brand is being damaged by their current voting system and voting show. It's all tailored to highlight the juries instead of the televoting. It was installed by the Swedish producers who master how to make them happy through many years in Melfest.

But they are brodcasters, business people in the end, and surely know that this can't carry on for too long as their CUSTOMERS (televoters and tv/streaming viewers) will feel unvalued and gradually start investing less and less... and the reputation of the brand is at risk.

That's why I think removing the jury votes from semis has been a trial and the beginning of other changes.

Imagine if the people's winner keep losing year after year, it will make more and more obvious that our votes/money don't mean anything and eventually people won't even bother to spend time and money watching the show.

This year has been more evident than before, as the support for Finland was huge and the crowd made it clear, unlike previous cases.

The current voting system MUST change, people at home feel already the need to be important!

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I want to believe EBU is well aware that the Eurovision brand is being damaged by their current voting system and voting show. It's all tailored to highlight the juries instead of the televoting. It was installed by the Swedish producers who master how to make them happy through many years in Melfest.

But they are brodcaster business people in the end, and surely know that this can't carry on for too long as their CUSTOMERS (televoters and tv/streaming viewers) will feel unvalued and gradually start investing less and less... and tge reputation of the brand is at risk.

That's why I think removing the jury votes from semis has been a trial and the beginning of major changes.

Imagine if the people's winner keep losing year after year, it will make more and more obvious that our votes don't mean anything and eventually don't even bother to spend money voting or even watching the show.

This year has been more evident than before, as the support for Finland was huge and the crowd made it obvious, unlike previous cases.

The current voting system MUST change, people at home feel already the need to be important!

Disagree, because artists are more important than people at home: people at home have nothing to lose from their armchairs, artists have a lot more to lose and lot more to gain while competing in Eurovision. A great performance in Eurovision can be decisive for an artist breakout success, a bad performance can result in tragic career endings or oblivion. I remember you this is a competition and every change EBU should make, they should make it for the artists not for the people at home, not for the countries, but for the artists competing.

The main goal of the artists in Eurovision is to have a breakout performance: the win is important, yes, but not that much because only one performer wins in the end. Some changes should be done if the artists agree to that changes. I think it's about time EBU starts to ask directly to them if they find the actual system to be fair or unfair and what would they change from the actual system. And I think the result will surprise us.

 

[cegs5]

Disagree, because artists are more important than people at home: people at home have nothing to lose from their armchairs, artists have a lot more to lose and lot more to gsin while competing in Eurovision. I remember you this is a competition and every change EBU should make, they should make it for the artists not for the people at home, not for the countries, but for the artists competing.

The main goal of the artists in Eurovision is to have a breakout performance: the win is important, yes, but not that much because only one performer wins in the end. Some chances should be done if the artists agree to that changes. I think it's about time EBU starts to ask directly to them if they find the actual system to be fsir or unfair. And I think the result will surprise us.

I'm talking about it from the business perspective £€$... which is in the end what matters not only for EBU, but for the artists themselves.

 

[0scar]

they should make it for the artists not for the people at home, not for the countries, but for the artists competing.

No

That's the gamble and risk the artists are willing to take by participating.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Perhaps I'm late to the party, and I realize it's eyeroll-inducing of a Swede to defend the jury system but here's my two cents. The Eurovision juries have several times by hardcore fans been questioned regarding their ''professional'' status, which I've sometimes agreed with. However, as Eurovision is a song contest in which popularity is one factor to win, I think it makes a point for the juries legitimacy that the juries put Sweden and (almost) Italy in the top 2, the songs with the largest amount of streams. On the Sunday, Loreen beat Måneskin's 2021 Sunday record of streams, so I'm not buying any argument about it being a weak song or that it was unfair etc etc.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I failed to see how the contest has been modified just so Sweden can do well in the contest. The only thing that is obvious (and worked in Sweden's favour) is the showrunners deciding the running order because they always give the hot favorites the more desirable slot. As such, this has also indirectly helped Sweden to get the "better" slots normally. But that it's also because they are mostly the contest favorites (minus 2021, where I do think the 25th slot in the GF is not deserving).

Let's bury the ''EBU does whatever they can to make Sweden win'' argument. They put the big fan favorite Finland to end both halfs he were in (semi 1& final), which I don't think they've ever done before

 

[0scar]

Perhaps I'm late to the party, and I realize it's eyeroll-inducing of a Swede to defend the jury system but here's my two cents. The Eurovision juries have several times by hardcore fans been questioned regarding their ''professional'' status, which I've sometimes agreed with. However, as Eurovision is a song contest in which popularity is one factor to win, I think it makes a point for the juries legitimacy that the juries put Sweden and (almost) Italy in the top 2, the songs with the largest amount of streams. On the Sunday, Loreen beat Måneskin's 2021 Sunday record of streams, so I'm not buying any argument about it being a weak song or that it was unfair etc etc.

(jk)

This is gonna be an eyeroll-inducing post of a supporter of Cha Cha Cha BUT
nobody is arguing that Tattoo wasn't a popular song but if you agree that popularity is one factor to be considered in the jury vote, Finland was robbed in the jury vote as they were clearly the most popular song in the contest considering their televoting??

 

[FilipFromSweden]

nobody is arguing that Tattoo wasn't a popular song but if you agree that popularity is one factor to be considered in the jury vote, Finland was robbed in the jury vote as they were clearly the most popular song in the contest considering their televoting??

Uh, yeah? You're saying Finland should get a high jury score because they got a high televote score? lmao, just say you want televote only

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I'm talking about it from the business perspective £€$... which is in the end what matters not only for EBU, but for the artists themselves.

About business perspective a win in Eurovision doesn't count much. Rosa Linn last year earn tons of £€$ coming 20th in Eurovision. And EBU actually earned tons of £€$ from advertisement and the contest being as always the most followed musical event.

 

[0scar]

Uh, yeah? You're saying Finland should get a high jury score because they got a high televote score? lmao, just say you want televote only

That's what you are saying? You say that more popular songs should get a high jury score because popularity should be considered by the juries.
Don't put words in my mouth I only translated your post to another conclusion based on the same logic.

I didn't think your post was eyeroll-inducing but this one is tbh

 

[FilipFromSweden]

That's what you are saying? You say that more popular songs should get a high jury score because popularity should be considered by the juries.
Don't put words in my mouth I only translated your post to another conclusion based on the same logic.

I didn't think your post was eyeroll-inducing but this one is tbh

Then what do you mean? Finland was the people's favorite, it got the most televotes. When it comes to streams, they were around 4th at best or something (I cba to check), and their jury score was 4th. So what's your problem with my argument?