crashworld
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Does anyone have any arguments on why Austria and Poland (and Australia kind of) got shafted in the RO despite being top 3 in their semi-final?
This might be a proof that the showrunners don't know the actual results and they only place the hot favorites (according to bookies or ESC bubble) into the better slots. Austria is just unfortunate because first half of the SF1 is packed with the big favourites, so they have to be "sacrificed" considering the lukewarm reviews of their performance.
But I am not defending the showrunners here because I am the biggest advocate for random draws just so everyone has a chance to get placed in a more desirable slot. If they claim that if your song is good, it doesn't matter where you perform, then it shouldn't matter if 10 ballads get performed consecutively as your song will still stand out if it's good. And they have proven that putting Italy & Estonia did not hinder their juries' scores and we know Estonia's song was not a televote-friendly song.
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On a separate note, all this talk about Sweden's win & how "desperate"/"hungry" they are for a win (+ how Loreen is not a deserved winner), may I ask had a different country won (ie. Italy or Israel) will your narrative change? Or will you wait till the next Sweden's win so you can hash out the same narrative? Because it seems to me that no matter what Sweden do, they are just wrong.
I failed to see how the contest has been modified just so Sweden can do well in the contest. The only thing that is obvious (and worked in Sweden's favour) is the showrunners deciding the running order because they always give the hot favorites the more desirable slot. As such, this has also indirectly helped Sweden to get the "better" slots normally. But that it's also because they are mostly the contest favorites (minus 2021, where I do think the 25th slot in the GF is not deserving).
Juries always voting for Sweden, they didn't exactly turn up for Sweden in 2021, did they? Or you guys have conveniently forgotten that? To me, Sweden just know how to play the rules well and they just got rewarded for it, simple as that. However, I do agree the notion of reforming the jury panel and decrease their voting power.
As to getting only music professionals to judge, that is ideal but we know in reality not every country has a big pool of music professionals. And if we only get music professionals, then you will run the chance of getting repeated people (for smaller sized countries) to judge and then you will run the issue of these people only giving points that are closer to their musical likes/tastes in the contest they judge.
As to the point on not buying songs from other countries, again this is ideal so that the country can send something that is a true representative of their culture/music scene. But in reality, it can be really restrictive and challenging for smaller countries. Because you will run into countries sending the same type of music over and over again and then people are going to complain there is no change in music variety. Just like how people complaining Albania keeps sending these wailing sounding entries.
To me, there are 2 areas that can effectively make the contest fairer without making the rules more complicated to comply:
- Randomized draws for RO
- Increase jury panel (ie. 10) & decrease the jury voting power
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