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EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

crashworld

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Does anyone have any arguments on why Austria and Poland (and Australia kind of) got shafted in the RO despite being top 3 in their semi-final?

This might be a proof that the showrunners don't know the actual results and they only place the hot favorites (according to bookies or ESC bubble) into the better slots. Austria is just unfortunate because first half of the SF1 is packed with the big favourites, so they have to be "sacrificed" considering the lukewarm reviews of their performance.

But I am not defending the showrunners here because I am the biggest advocate for random draws just so everyone has a chance to get placed in a more desirable slot. If they claim that if your song is good, it doesn't matter where you perform, then it shouldn't matter if 10 ballads get performed consecutively as your song will still stand out if it's good. And they have proven that putting Italy & Estonia did not hinder their juries' scores and we know Estonia's song was not a televote-friendly song.

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On a separate note, all this talk about Sweden's win & how "desperate"/"hungry" they are for a win (+ how Loreen is not a deserved winner), may I ask had a different country won (ie. Italy or Israel) will your narrative change? Or will you wait till the next Sweden's win so you can hash out the same narrative? Because it seems to me that no matter what Sweden do, they are just wrong.

I failed to see how the contest has been modified just so Sweden can do well in the contest. The only thing that is obvious (and worked in Sweden's favour) is the showrunners deciding the running order because they always give the hot favorites the more desirable slot. As such, this has also indirectly helped Sweden to get the "better" slots normally. But that it's also because they are mostly the contest favorites (minus 2021, where I do think the 25th slot in the GF is not deserving).

Juries always voting for Sweden, they didn't exactly turn up for Sweden in 2021, did they? Or you guys have conveniently forgotten that? To me, Sweden just know how to play the rules well and they just got rewarded for it, simple as that. However, I do agree the notion of reforming the jury panel and decrease their voting power.

As to getting only music professionals to judge, that is ideal but we know in reality not every country has a big pool of music professionals. And if we only get music professionals, then you will run the chance of getting repeated people (for smaller sized countries) to judge and then you will run the issue of these people only giving points that are closer to their musical likes/tastes in the contest they judge.

As to the point on not buying songs from other countries, again this is ideal so that the country can send something that is a true representative of their culture/music scene. But in reality, it can be really restrictive and challenging for smaller countries. Because you will run into countries sending the same type of music over and over again and then people are going to complain there is no change in music variety. Just like how people complaining Albania keeps sending these wailing sounding entries.

To me, there are 2 areas that can effectively make the contest fairer without making the rules more complicated to comply:
  1. Randomized draws for RO
  2. Increase jury panel (ie. 10) & decrease the jury voting power
 
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Sweden has a politcal machinery like no other at Eurovision. 1999 was the first time I didnt agree with the winner at all. Iceland was so excited and their song more exciting but the derivative song from Sweden prevailed.
Sweden doesnt have original songs, it's derivative of other songs (2015, 2016, 2021, 2023), generic and has no emotional appeal whatsoever.

Sweden won the composer award this year with such bland lyrics while Austria won an independent award from a Pan European fansite with experts and former Eurovision participants voting. Gström is an industrial composer who everyone knows while Teya is a nobody.

The most outrageous result by Sweden however was in 2021 when every other country would have bombed with it.

I am curious to know what people think which place in the running order would Nobody But You and Who The Hell Is Edgar have gotten, if they were Swedish entries? What both acts have in common is a very early RO and more than 100 points less in the final from televotes.

Sweden never started early, never before the first break since their own riggory. What it have happened with our songs? I dont think so!
 

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That's your personal opinion, not a fact. I like many of Swedens songs. Undo was my personal winner, Tusse did better with the televote than with the juries and I also liked Voices. Loreen this year was also amazing. Let's not forget the song came 2nd with the televote and has outcharted the other songs even before the GF. And no it's not because she is Loreen. Let's not act like Loreen is some megastar. She is not. Her song is charting well and played by the radios because it's good. Same with Rosa's Snap which flopped with the televote but has become one of the biggest hits in Eurovision history while you don't hear anything about the televotes second place in that year which was Moldova's song. Some Eurovision fans need to stop acting like their personal music taste is a fact or something. Or that the televote is a reflection of what is actually popular because the last few years have shown that it's not true either. I like songs like Eaea or Duje but the majority clearly don't. You may dislike Sweden's songs, call them generic and say they have no emotional appeal but they clearly have their fans and they disagree.

As I said before this hate that Sweden has received in the last few year is just disgusting at this point. We saw it with Benjamin, John and now Loreen. Like it was said before, it seems that no matter what Sweden does, no matter what result they get, they are always in the wrong. Like I said before, they need to take a break from Eurovision after 2024 because I don't see how this situation is going to change. Even if Sweden doesn't qualify but then comes back strong in another year they would probably get the same reaction.
 
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Ajeje Brazorf

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He totally has a point on 2021 though... Voices should have bombed hard because literally nothing worked in that performance, still they came mid table in the Final. The same swedish delegation seemed relieved when the hosts announced Sweden as a qualifier... Honestly, I pick Anna Bergendahl's This is my Life over Tusse's Voices every day: Voices should have stayed in the semis, This is my Life, imo, shouldn't. I think Swedes will not agree, but I stand by what I'm saying.
 
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I liked Voices and called for it. (See? Not a Sweden song hater.)
It’s my favourite Swedish entry in the past 12 years, together with Heroes.

I was not surprised though it ended lower as usual with the juries. Saw that coming because it participated in a year where they tried to give the impression they are not favoured. They got a lot of backlash the years before because of juries always favouring them. 2019 was the peak with an absolutely ridiculous jury vote for that at maximum mediocre song by John Lundvik.

So they already planned to slow down the next year and send a song in 2020 that would not be a huge production of their standard Scandi pop song. We all know The Mamas would have ended up similar to Tusse. It’s not their usual style of song and would have done worse than usual.

But then came Covid and then 2021: another year, another artist. Again, not their usual style of song. The were aware it would not be scoring well like their standard pop songs do but they accepted it and send this on purpose to calm down people and their anger for a year.

Now they are back to their usual pandering.
 
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Anna Bergendahl was an undeserved flop tbh and I didnt hate Sweden at all back then. Almost cried with her.

Voices really makes me mad. No other country would have gotten away with it, but maybe Cyprus?

Why on earth did Cyprus get so many votes this year for their playback show of such a generic song?

Only girls and gays on the juries this year, because he was hot and bared some skin?
 

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I liked Voices and called for it. (See? Not a Sweden song hater.)
It’s my favourite Swedish entry in the past 12 years, together with Heroes.

I was not surprised though it ended lower as usual with the juries. Saw that coming because it participated in a year where they tried to give the impression they are not favoured. They got a lot of backlash the years before because of juries always favouring them. 2019 was the peak with an absolutely ridiculous jury vote for that at maximum mediocre song by John Lundvik.

So they already planned to slow down a year and send a song in 2020 that would not be a huge production of their standard Scandi pop song. We all know The Mamas would have ended up similar to Tusse. It’s not their usual style of song and would have done worse than usual.

But the came Covid and another year, another artist. Also not their usual style of song. The were aware it would not be scoring as well as their standard pop songs but they accepted at to call down people and their anger for a year.

Now they are back to their usual pandering.

Unpopular: I really loved The Mamas song in 2020... Actually it was in my top 10 that year.
 

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I liked Voices and called for it. (See? Not a Sweden song hater.)
It’s my favourite Swedish entry in the past 12 years, together with Heroes.

I was not surprised though it ended lower as usual with the juries. Saw that coming because it participated in a year where they tried to give the impression they are not favoured. They got a lot of backlash the years before because of juries always favouring them. 2019 was the peak with an absolutely ridiculous jury vote for that at maximum mediocre song by John Lundvik.

So they already planned to slow down the year and send a song in 2020 that would not be a huge production of their standard Scandi pop song. We all know The Mamas would have ended up similar to Tusse. It’s not their usual style of song and would have done worse than usual.

But the came Covid and another year, another artist. Also not their usual style of song. The were aware it would not be scoring well like their standard pop songs do but they accepted it to calm down people and their anger for a year.

Now they are back to their usual pandering.
Funny, I love John Lundvik to bits and TLFL was number 1 on my play list together with Conan. I didnt want sweden to win but Arcade wasnt for me either. So no to Sweden for being Sweden and no to Netherlands for their song back then from me
 

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Anna Bergendahl was an undeserved flop tbh and I didnt hate Sweden at all back then. Almost cried with her.

Voices really makes me mad. No other country would have gotten away with it, but maybe Cyprus?

Why on earth did Cyprus get so many votes this year for their playback show of such a generic song?

Only girls and gays on the juries this year, because he was hot and bared some skin?

Anna Bergendahl's only fault was to have shown some emotions during her performance. Justice for Anna!

I agree on Cyprus: I liked the studio version, but not the live. He was barely singing, too much back track... I hope Eurovision will get rid of these awful prerecorded backing vocals as soon as possible: I want to see performers singing their lungs out, not relying on backing vocals. Thanks.
 
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So what is going on with Iceland's televote?

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What the actual fuck is this now? We don't need some more drama, don't we? God please help us!
 

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It is now fixed:

You linked Estonia, I can still see mismatching data on the Icelandic page
 

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What's up with the Iceland televote points?

Martin, give Spain their Icelandic :2: points xangry

They put the ROTW Vote on the icelandic Page.
so the icelandic Bottom16 are missing.
 

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The Twink, the Emo Kid, the Jock & the Daddy.
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Edit: Didn't realize all 4 of them have the same dress code (ie. black + white). I guess it's a exclusive party that the other male soloists didn't get the invite. LOL.
 
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I liked Voices and called for it. (See? Not a Sweden song hater.)
It’s my favourite Swedish entry in the past 12 years, together with Heroes.

I was not surprised though it ended lower as usual with the juries. Saw that coming because it participated in a year where they tried to give the impression they are not favoured. They got a lot of backlash the years before because of juries always favouring them. 2019 was the peak with an absolutely ridiculous jury vote for that at maximum mediocre song by John Lundvik.

So they already planned to slow down the next year and send a song in 2020 that would not be a huge production of their standard Scandi pop song. We all know The Mamas would have ended up similar to Tusse. It’s not their usual style of song and would have done worse than usual.

But then came Covid and then 2021: another year, another artist. Again, not their usual style of song. The were aware it would not be scoring well like their standard pop songs do but they accepted it and send this on purpose to calm down people and their anger for a year.

Now they are back to their usual pandering.
No shade but this one kinda reminded me of the people who say stuff like "I can't be racist. I have black friends." :ROFLMAO:
 
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