EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

[aef]

I mean I’m definitely pro juries but I really doubt their work at some point. They should really vote based on combined criteria (vocals, song quality and structure, staging). It feels like yesterday many juries voted mainly for countries with decent/ good vocals. I see no other explanation for the results of . I would have never guessed that will be liked by juries. It’s a rather dated song and very repetitive.

 

[MopManMoss]

Ive never seen Spanish eurofans so quiet, this is blissful

 

[HarryUK]

My top 3 has also never been the actual top 3 on final night
Damn

 

[GermanBango]

So about the juries ...
I am probably one of their biggest advocates in here and often times I find myself agreeing with them more than with the public vote + Sweden was my personal fave this year BUT I'll be the first one to admit that they need to be massively reformed.
The jury votes often times seem rather random and without much sense behind them. Feels like they're just using different criteria in every other country. Vocals SHOULD (imo) be one of their top priorities as the public tends to just go for the flashy shows instead. I mean ... Finland getting 150 points with these vocals (I know it's an unpopular opinion)? Croatia, Poland and UK being better than Germany? Idk man ...

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

So about the juries ...
I am probably one of their biggest advocates in here and often times I find myself agreeing with them more than with the public vote + Sweden was my personal fave this year BUT I'll be the first one to admit that they need to be massively reformed.
The jury votes often times seem rather random and without much sense behind them. Feels like they're just using different criteria in every other country. Vocals SHOULD (imo) be one of their top priorities as the public tends to just go for the flashy shows instead. I mean ... Finland getting 150 points with these vocals? Croatia, Poland and UK being better than Germany? Idk man ...

It's a SONG contest.

Not The Voice where amateurs compete who will be the best vocal peformance.

Even in such competitions the audience decides last.

 

[GermanBango]

It's a SONG contest.

Not The Voice where amateurs compete who will be the best vocal peformance.

Even in such competitions the audience decides last.

If it was really about the songs (from a composition perspective) neither Finland nor Sweden should have won tbh.

 

[Ali_]

The biggest gag of the night: only giving 4 points to

Suddenly not so appealing to give the 12 when you're not going to get anything in return. This just emphasises how much they do blatant point swapping.

 

[Loindici]

If it was really about the songs (from a composition perspective) neither Finland nor Sweden should have won tbh.

Exactly, but this is real world, my friend.

 

[aef]

So about the juries ...
I am probably one of their biggest advocates in here and often times I find myself agreeing with them more than with the public vote + Sweden was my personal fave this year BUT I'll be the first one to admit that they need to be massively reformed.
The jury votes often times seem rather random and without much sense behind them. Feels like they're just using different criteria in every other country. Vocals SHOULD (imo) be one of their top priorities as the public tends to just go for the flashy shows instead. I mean ... Finland getting 150 points with these vocals (I know it's an unpopular opinion)? Croatia, Poland and UK being better than Germany? Idk man ...

No in my opinion you’re not right here, it shouldn’t be mainly about vocals. There should be certain criteria with the same value. Vocals, song quality and structure, staging, lyrics, song message,…

It’s not X Factor it’s Eurovision Song Contest.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

If it was really about the songs (from a composition perspective) neither Finland nor Sweden should have won tbh.

Your own personal preferences are not a proof of song's quality.

As for Sweden we all knew it was outdated.

But Finnish and Israeli song were both original, they added new ideas into composing techniques, they were both insanely good produced.

One was loved by the juries because in all of the above it didn't succeed finding a catchy tune for lay audience so it added a pretty good vocalist as a performer, and the other one succeeded in doing the opposite by contrasting industrial metal parts with catchy dance ABBA alike tune.

But that doesn't make either of those 2 worse or better in respect of song's quality, it's just that Finnish production was "smarter" in calculating and
engineering the sound to make it more accessible to an average consumer.

Sweden was objectively worse than both in terms of quality - chorusless, outdated, repetitive

 

[GermanBango]

Your own personal preferences are not a proof of song's quality.

As for Sweden we all knew it was outdated.

But Finnish and Israeli song were both original, they added new ideas into composing techniques, they were both insanely good produced.

One was loved by the juries because in all of the above it didn't succeed finding a catchy tune for lay audience so it added a pretty good vocalist as a performer, and the other one succeeded in doing the opposite by contrasting industrial metal parts with catchy dance ABBA alike tune.

But that doesn't make either of those 2 worse or better in respect of song's quality, it's just that Finnish production was "smarter" in calculating and w
engineering the sound to make it more accessible to an average consumer.

But yours are then? Interesting.

 

[Franzilein]

Not even 24h later and we almost cracked the 100k dislikes. Loreen speed-running them records, slay Queen.

 

[GermanBango]

No in my opinion you’re not right here, it shouldn’t be mainly about vocals. There should be certain criteria with the same value. Vocals, song quality and structure, staging, lyrics, song message,…

It’s not X Factor it’s Eurovision Song Contest.

Which is fine. I specifically said that it was just my point of view.
The point still stands though: All juries across all countries should use the same criteria. Otherwise there is no need to have them in the first place.

 

[Storm]

People denouncing juries for factoring in vocal performance with the 'its not a singing contest' argument but then lose their mind about people using prerecorded backing vocals too.

 

[Kant1]

People denouncing juries for factoring in vocal performance with the 'its not a singing contest' argument but then lose their mind about people using prerecorded backing vocals too.

You're not talking about Poland here right ?

 

[lacrymea]

Not even 24h later and we almost cracked the 100k dislikes. Loreen speed-running them records, slay Queen.

"Never return to the place where you were once happy".

This applies to a number of things in life and I guess it fits like a glove here.

Yeah, she won. But instead of repeating the laurels of the past, she did her walk of victory while the crowd chanted the name of someone else. People are angry. It's a winner that feels like a travesty.

Not what she was expecting, I believe.
I would've sticked with being Eurofans favorite winner ever instead of this.

 

[Franzilein]

"Never return to the place where you were once happy".

This applies to a number of things in life and I guess it fits like a glove here.

Yeah, she won. But instead of repeating the laurels of the past, she did her walk of victory while the crowd chanted the name of someone else. People are angry. It's a winner that feels like a travesty.

Not what she was expecting, I believe.
I would've sticked with being Eurofans favorite winner ever instead of this.

Yes, indeed. I mean, I love Loreen, she IS an amazing performer. Denying that is a crime. But this was not her win and Europe is pissed, rightfully so. As a comparison, Cha Cha Cha with not even half of the views of Tattoo sits at 76k likes and 4k dislikes.

 

[GermanBango]

Yes, indeed. I mean, I love Loreen, she IS an amazing performer. Denying that is a crime. But this was not her win and Europe is the fans are pissed, rightfully so. As a comparison, Cha Cha Cha with not even half of the views of Tattoo sits at 76k likes and 4k dislikes.

Fixed it for you. By the end of the week nobody outside the bubble will remember Eurovision anymore anyway. People move on faster than the speed of light these days.

Edit: Also fans are whining basically every year. Last year there was this whole "Ukraine only won because of politics"-fuss.

 

[italocroato]

Isn't it strange that detailed voting results have not yet been published? I’m referring to rankings per jury member of each country and complete televote ranking by country. Like this for 2022: https://eurovision.tv/event/turin-2022/grand-final/results

Also, I couldn't find the official jury list, with names of jury members by country. When clicked on Jurors this message appears: “The Juries have been published in a random order on the results pages.” Link: https://eurovision.tv/event/liverpool-2023/grand-final/jury

Every year EBU publishes these results during the night after the finals, but this year there is still nothing.
It seems very strange.
Or did I miss something? Searched on the wrong pages?

 

[aef]

People denouncing juries for factoring in vocal performance with the 'its not a singing contest' argument but then lose their mind about people using prerecorded backing vocals too.

It’s not so hard to understand - of course it’s very important that that vocals are one important aspect but I’m just saying that there is more to take into consideration.