EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

[Ezio]

When Sweden won with Heroes, the next contest was riddled with generic plastic pop songs.

I hope 2024 won’t see a surge in safe pop songs with bloated props.

 

[empo21]

The more likely trend I can see happening is countries bringing elaborate stage props to secure a break or two before/after their entries.

Swedish stage hand, better start working out now

 

[Mainshow]

Agree. We're paying a party that only the others benefit from. I'd remove the big 5, share the bill equally and make the show simpler.

That´s simply not correct - we generate big viewing figures which is lucrative for our broadcasters and in comparision, our broadcasters pay less for such a huge format attracting so many viewers than coming up with another high-profile entertaiment show or blockbuster on their own, e.g. paying for Eurovision costs our broadcaster "less money" than producing their own show or another Tatort (TV crime series) which generate more or less the same amount of viewing figures.

 

[AndroZeus]

Someone has probably already mentioned this, but I think it's worth noting that Loreen did not win the televote in a single country. So much for fan favourite...

 

[PlasticToad]

As the world's sole Piqued Jacks fan I will mourn their nul points and hope they had a good time regardless. Same for Theodor, the kid had pure unhinged theatre kid energy that I couldn't help but enjoy, especially when TVR gave him nothing to work with. I voted for them both, even if it didn't do anything in the end. (Convinced that the UK's 1 point to Iceland was all me fwiw)

 

[MopManMoss]

the big 5 has never ever nor will it ever be about positions it is about guaranteeing the ebu decent viewership for Eurovision and if you made the financial cost equal for admission youd have a load of countries withdraw.

People really should think through what it is they are actually advocating for because it will do more good than harm

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

the big 5 has never ever nor will it ever be about positions it is about guaranteeing the ebu decent viewership for Eurovision and if you made the financial cost equal for admission youd have a load of countries withdraw.

People really should think through what it is they are actually advocating for because it will do more good than harm

I favour keeping the Big 5, I don't think they are a problem.

 

[Ezio]

Someone has probably already mentioned this, but I think it's worth noting that Loreen did not win the televote in a single country. So much for fan favourite...

She was even blanked in Finland.

 

[Leydan]

The more likely trend I can see happening is countries bringing elaborate stage props to secure a break or two before/after their entries.

Swedish stage hand, better start working out now

I feel like the EBU is going to have to come down on this eventually. We saw it this year where more short breaks and host comments were needed before songs to give extra time. I feel like the UK of all countries started that one with Lucie. the BBC got complicated staging props perfected. Year by year i think it will get worse.

 

[Ezio]

2021 has a comparatively great voting for each jury and televote. you can tell tehre was no rigging. Probably they didn’t even bother trying since Voices was dead on arrival.

 

[Mainshow]

I think that it´s a very arrogant and ignorant view thinking that we're entitled to get shitloads of points just because "we pay more than or " to come up with the greatest and biggest music show on Earth.

Usually, we moan about "Eurovision not being about music anymore" but at the same time we whine about not getting many points because we come up with a fair share of the costs for producing the show.

I know it's disappointing to see finishing last in the combined vote and only getting 5 pts in the televoting but that's how Europe decided it to be. There were other years than was #3 in both votes (like last year), won (2010) and had their fair share of Top 10's in recent years, too.

 

[0scar]

You have to hand it to the Finnish to collectively as a nation succeeding not giving Sweden televoting points, that requires proper coordination

 

[Mainshow]

You have to hand it to the Finnish to collectively as a nation succeeding not giving Sweden televoting points, that requires proper coordination

or they simply didn´t love the song that much?, e.g. only award Loreen a single pt in the televoting.

It was one of the "fan favourites" but clearly not the biggest one.

 

[Ausesken]

That´s simply not correct - we generate big viewing figures which is lucrative for our broadcasters and in comparision, our broadcasters pay less for such a huge format attracting so many viewers than coming up with another high-profile entertaiment show or blockbuster on their own, e.g. paying for Eurovision costs our broadcaster "less money" than producing their own show or another Tatort (TV crime series) which generate more or less the same amount of viewing figures.

How is lucrative for RTVE, for example? Adds are not allowed in RTVE and not enough people vote in the final to balance out the investment.

 

[MopManMoss]

I cant believe how tasteful the ROTW vote was, I hope they continue to do that

Also still not over Greece only giving Cyprus 4 in the jury thats so funny

 

[Mainshow]

Since 2009 (50/50 in the GF), years in which big 5 countries appeared in the Top 10:

2009: #5 #8
2010: #1
2011: #2 #10 (#11 )
2012: #8 #9 #10
2013: #7
2014: #10
2015: #3
2016: #6
2017: #6
2018: #4 #5
2019: #2
2021: #1 #2
2022: #2 #3 #6
2023: #4

+ #12 in 2017, #11 in 2011

Thus, since 2009, there was NO SINGLE YEAR in which a Big 5 country hadn´t reached Top 10.

 

[Mainshow]

How is lucrative for RTVE, for example? Adds are not allowed in RTVE and not enough people vote in the final to balance out the investment.

Adds are not allowed in either (ARD).

The costs of producing another high-profile entertainment show for the local market or coming up with a blockbust/a movie on their own costs way more than being part of Eurovision.
Our broadcasters don't have to invest in other costs to produce a show of the same value, generating the same amount of viewing figures.

e.g.

ARD spent up to 1.4 million € to produce an episode for Tatort (TV crime series) in 2013. Costs must have been even higher nowadays
vs.
spending less than 600,000€ for Eurovision (and ARD doesn't have to plan/organise much)

Both shows somehow generate the same amount of viewing figures (7 to 13 million viewers)

 

[Ausesken]

Adds are not allowed in either (ARD).

The costs of producing another high-profile entertainment show for the local market or coming up with a blockbust/a movie on their own costs way more than being part of Eurovision.
Our broadcasters don't have to invest in other costs to produce a show of the same value, generating the same amount of viewing figures.

But you can have a similar show by sharing the bill equally, too. Eurovision would still be Eurovision even if the stage was less sophisticated.

 

[Mainshow]

But you can have a similar show by sharing the bill equally, too. Eurovision would still be Eurovision even if the stage was less sophisticated.

Let all people in pay the same amount of tax - despite their income, social status.
It's also fair to share the costs of running a country, equally, no?

We can't change the fact that some countries are bigger in size and population than others - that some countries in Europe generate a bigger GDP - and simply are richer than others.

Why should a country like pay the same amount like for Eurovision? It doesn't make sense and it's not even possible. Eurovision would probably end up having the Big 5 countries, , and the Nordics.

 

[Ezio]

or they simply didn´t love the song that much?, e.g. only award Loreen a single pt in the televoting.

It was one of the "fan favourites" but clearly not the biggest one.

I thought Sweden deserved 7th place and Austria thought so, too. points