EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

[harey]

The fact that jury votes are presented first and for a much longer period of time says it all. Jury votes are presented as more important and televoting as something completely secondary. The whole voting system should be changed. I am for 100% televoting.

Am I the only one thinking that the public votes were really rushed this year? We barely had 3 seconds of reaction and then the wall. When it's a three digits televote, you could at least show a little longer the joy of contestants.

Im still viscerally angry at Selma not winning Eurovision 1999 an event that happened when I was three years old, people never calm down

France 1991, but it's not anger, it's infinite sadness stuck in me. My heart id bleeding (ciutooo tutooo).

On an other topic, Mimicat and la Zarra enjoying together Lithuania song is so heartwarming.

 

[lilka]

We know what that means!

Hopefully! But Petra actually doesn't need Mans, she can do it alone!

Someone said she doesn't work for SVT anymore, but who said she cannot be re-hired?
Another comment I remember is about "making room for younger generation" or something like that and I don't buy it. I'd rather say that the younger ones should learn.

 

[Dorientje]

what I sometimes wonder, what do you think of the odds? I'm losing my fun in eurovision because of this, the last 4 years has always won the highest at the odds. (I'm not saying they don't deserve it.) It's all so predictable, because you already know the winner. It's just not nice, I'm seriously thinking about just not watching the scoring next year, because you always know the winner anyway
I hope next year someone win that is not expected

 

[Ezio]

What a coincidence the press got shut out from rehearsals. Now it also seems an orchestrated move as well. The risk of the fan press saying Loreen pales in comparison to xy should be avoided at all costs, because usually the odds can change in rehearsal week, but they didn’t this year.

 

[spinachpie]

what I sometimes wonder, what do you think of the odds? I'm losing my fun in eurovision because of this, the last 4 years has always won the highest at the odds. (I'm not saying they don't deserve it.) It's all so predictable, because you already know the winner. It's just not nice, I'm seriously thinking about just not watching the scoring next year, because you always know the winner anyway
I hope next year someone win that is not expected

The odds have always been there though. The odds are dictated by, essentially, people also voting. The higher something is, the more bets that have been placed on them.

What may really change this is completely hiding the rehearsals, but then again, they will still be leaked.

 

[Ausesken]

Well, congrats to Sweden. The truth is I liked the song very much, but I don't feel thrilled with this victory. The result was so predictable and the results show so anticlimactic with Sweden leading all the time... I feel it was a waste of time. I still hoped Finland could win because it was my favourite, but seeing the jury vote the winner was clear.

As for Spain, I kinda expected this result because "Eaea" is a song that you either love or you don't like it at all, but I did not expect those miserable 5 points in the televote, and I also thought the juries would give it a higher score.

I'm losing interest in the contest, tbh. This year I've been already pretty distant to it, but next year I think I'll just check out who's the favourite in the odds. Time is gold and yesterday I felt I was spending it in a useless results show because they could have given her the prize since minute 1.

 

[Loindici]

Hopefully! But Petra actually doesn't need Mans, she can do it alone!

Someone said she doesn't work for SVT anymore, but who said she cannot be re-hired?
Another comment I remember is about "making room for younger generation" or something like that and I don't buy it. I'd rather say that the younger ones should learn.

As much as iconic as she is and I wanted her to return, Petra had been here twice - like that's even a very high honor to be able to present twice when others couldn't.

It's really just the time for newer/other presenters to take the stage, it's already 7 years since Petra and I believe we have other hosts we can give chances like Sarah Dawn Finer and Jesper Ronndahl. Who knows if one of them can also be the new icon host, just like Hannah Waddingham this year!

Yeah, not exactly "younger generation" as I've said before, but this is my actual argument if you may.

Petra can still coach them, though, if it's necessary.

 

[Storm]

what I sometimes wonder, what do you think of the odds? I'm losing my fun in eurovision because of this, the last 4 years has always won the highest at the odds. (I'm not saying they don't deserve it.) It's all so predictable, because you already know the winner. It's just not nice, I'm seriously thinking about just not watching the scoring next year, because you always know the winner anyway
I hope next year someone win that is not expected

I hate it too but there's nothing you can do about it. I'd love to go into Eurovision once without anyone knowing what is actually doing well and what is not but it's never going to happen. It doesn't even help not looking at them because leading up the contest, you'd still be confronted with headlines declaring the favorites or your local commentator hinting at it.

But over the years, I'm also at a point where the Grand Final is merely a conclusion to the whole Eurovision season. You have to find out the winner at one point and if that's in March or April already, so be it. I still find other reasons to enjoy Eurovision.

 

[harey]

This! And the juries should be much larger in numbers.

Am I the only one watching educational videos on YouTube? Adding people to jury will only push all the "less divisive" songs, which means radio friendly Swedish or Cyprus or Switzerland pop songs, and give less opportunities to bold songs to sneak in.

 

[Verjamem]

Jury voting

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+ 1 from (we exchanged with them last year already) and 6 from , where jury received a backlash from people because of 0 to Ochman.

 

[Funix]

Congrats to Sweden for their rightfully win. The juries was doing their job when awarding Sweden so many points. Tattoo is much stronger song overall and will probably have a better "life" after the contest in radios, streaming etc. than Finland.
Btw i have nothing against Finland and I was quiet happy with their good result

 

[Loindici]

Well, congrats to Sweden. The truth is I liked the song very much, but I don't feel thrilled with this victory. The result was so predictable and the results show so anticlimactic with Sweden leading all the time... I feel it was a waste of time. I still hoped Finland could win because it was my favourite, but seeing the jury vote the winner was clear.

As for Spain, I kinda expected this result because "Eaea" is a song that you either love or you don't like it at all, but I did not expect those miserable 5 points in the televote, and I also thought the juries would give it a higher score.

I'm losing interest in the contest, tbh. This year I've been already pretty distant to it, but next year I think I'll just check out who's the favourite in the odds. Time is gold and yesterday I felt I was spending it in a useless results show because they could have given her the prize since minute 1.

Maybe not a lot of people love EAEA, but this is just that one song I madly respect. It's just rich in culture, vocal techniques, unconventional production choices, poetic lyrics, and basically identity. It even takes such big balls to even send this kind of song.

 

[GermanBango]

The biggest gag of the night: only giving 4 points to

 

[ESC94]

The biggest gag of the night: only giving 4 points to

Diplomatic crisis incoming.

 

[empo21]

This! And the juries should be much larger in numbers.

Yup. It's about time we raise the juror count to 8-10 and enforce age diversity as well.

I don't think EBU is being strict with the juries as of now, but they need to.

 

[MAD20]

Just having a glance at the top 10, aside from Finland and Czechia, it may be clear that out-of-the-box songs do not manage to find their right place in Eurovision. We'll see next year how the contest evolves, but at least I hope it is a more open year without a runaway winner since the very beginning.

I find it incredible that from my top 10, only Sweden, Finland and Czechia made it. Latvia did not even qualify, Portugal and Serbia were close to last, and Austria, Armenia, France and Spain ended in the right hand side of the scoreboard consecutively. Not so happy with the outcome to be honest hahaha

Another interesting fact is that 10th place had 129 points and 18th 96, slight variations on the televote could have changed it all. Congrats to Czechia for their super deserved top 10!!

 

[gigi_copp3]

I think it's time to remove the Big 5 mechanism, it's better for them. Seems to me that if you don't compete in the semis you struggle more to collect votes. Why not take the risk of being eliminated in the semis though if they qualify they could be more attentioned? Germany's situation is dramatic cmon

 

[Mainshow]

I think it's time to remove the Big 5 mechanism, it's better for them. Seems to me that if you don't compete in the semis you struggle more to collect votes.

Combined Top 5 of 2023:
#4 (#3 jury)

Combined Top 5 of 2022:
#2 (#1 jury, #5 televoting)
#3 (#3 jury, #3 in televoting)
(#6 )

Combined Top 5 of 2021:
#1 (#5 jury, #1 televoting)
#2 (#2 jury, #3 televoting)

That´s simply not true.. there are other reasons for abolishing the Big 5 mechanism (but there are some crucial reasons for it to stay as well) but "struggling to collect points" is not one of them.

 

[MopManMoss]

I thought Latvia missing out by 3 would hurt less after a nights sleep, boy was I wrong

 

[Ausesken]

I think it's time to remove the Big 5 mechanism, it's better for them. Seems to me that if you don't compete in the semis you struggle more to collect votes. Why not take the risk of being eliminated in the semis though if they qualify they could be more attentioned? Germany's situation is dramatic cmon

Agree. We're paying a party that only the others benefit from. I'd remove the big 5, share the bill equally and make the show simpler.