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EUROVISION 2023 - FINAL REHEARSALS AND LIVE SHOW DISCUSSION

0scar
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Well I don't blame her for competing again and wanting to win and everything, I mean she couldn't have guessed beforehand that there would be such a televoting favourite and that her victory would be coloured by her huge lead in the jury vote.

Loreen is an amazing performer and she probably deserved winning the jury vote, I'm just bitter it was with such a huge lead over other entries that they were without any chance. I think she deserved being first in the jury vote, but she didn't deserve the lead. Loreen, :se: are not to so-to-say blame, all of my anger is pointed at the juries.
 
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italocroato said:
Isn't it strange that detailed voting results have not yet been published? I’m referring to rankings per jury member of each country and complete televote ranking by country. Like this for 2022: https://eurovision.tv/event/turin-2022/grand-final/results

Also, I couldn't find the official jury list, with names of jury members by country. When clicked on Jurors this message appears: “The Juries have been published in a random order on the results pages.” Link: https://eurovision.tv/event/liverpool-2023/grand-final/jury

Every year EBU publishes these results during the night after the finals, but this year there is still nothing.
It seems very strange.
Or did I miss something? Searched on the wrong pages?
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There were a few Years when we got those Results 4-5 Days later. I think it was 2018 and 2021.
 
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GermanBango said:
Fixed it for you. By the end of the week nobody outside the bubble will remember Eurovision anymore anyway. People move on faster than the speed of light these days.

Edit: Also fans are whining basically every year. Last year there was this whole "Ukraine only won because of pollicis"-fuss.
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Stop hitting me with the Korinthenkacke please. It's "Europe, start voting now", not "ESC fans, start voting now".
Comparing this jury fiasco to a political heated entry is also mental gymnastics, especially when no winner so far was this much in the negatives as Tattoo. May change in the future, but for now we cracked the 101k dislikes xcookie
 
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aef said:
There should be certain criteria with the same value. Vocals, song quality and structure, staging, lyrics, song message,…
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The juries know the criteria each year, yet they never stick to them.

All I see is them voting for their neighbours, standard ballad with great voices and Sweden.

Imho the song should be seen as a package. Not more, not less.

A song like Serbia with barely a voice has to be seen as a whole. It was artsy yet not rewarded. Same for Austria. I mean, they got points from the juries but much less than I thought they‘d deserved. Also, I have complained Italy often tanks with the juries. This time was the first time I would have understood if juries didn’t give him a lot of points (to me this was clearly a song made for the public mainly) however they give him a lot of points this year.

Israel was overrated by the juries too a bit but this and Finland are the ones I agree with the juries and their ranking. Both not flawless but a strong enough composition overall as a whole.

If you compare Sweden to both, it simply looks pale. Israel hat the better voice imho and Finland the better staging. Both performances were more energy than Loreen.
 
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Franzilein said:
Stop hitting me with the Korinthenkacke please. It's "Europe, start voting now", not "ESC fans, start voting now".
Comparing this jury fiasco to a political heated entry is also mental gymnastics, especially when no winner so far was this much in the negatives as Tattoo. May change in the future, but for now we cracked the 101k dislikes xcookie
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Sure but still nobody outside the bubble will care about any of this anymore in a few days.
Also it seems unhealthy to get horny over a dislike count on YT but .... oh well, you do you.
 
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Well I do like Sweden's song, I think it's a very good song

It felt quite wrong to me that the 2nd all-time best televote result in ESC history (?) didn't win overall

If the margin between Finland and Sweden in televote was like 50 points I would be like "okay they were close anyway so fair"

But man that was such a huge gap, it just feels wrong to me
 
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midnightsun said:
None of the top 3 was my favourite, by far!

So nope.
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A large part of dislikes and massive hate, especially on twitter right now, comes from people who were rooting for Finland and got annoyed by the result.
People know the rules from before and nearly everyone knew the Cha cha cha is not a very jury-friendly entry by default. No one ever said that peoples absolute favorite should be always the winner under a system that 50% of the result comes from juries. Tattoo had a better balance between juries and t/v.
 
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GermanBango said:
Sure but still nobody outside the bubble will care about any of this anymore in a few days.
Also it seems unhealthy to get horny over a dislike count on YT but .... oh well, you do you.
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A different type of butthurt, now let me enjoy the fireworks. It's burning bright.
 
Himan
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Sorry to say this, but Sweden had by far better:

Vocals, song quality and structure, staging, lyrics.

Finland was just more fun, despite all this. The juries were fully right. I thought that the difference would have been a bit smaller with the Finnish, with the juries, but that didn't happen.

Sweden's song was great like usual, which is why they get a lot of points from the juries every single time. And it is definitely not right to hate them for that. And if you hate Sweden okay, but the bad remarks about Loreen are very wrong. She is just there to compete, and won.
 
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