EUROVISION 2020 - General Discussion Thread

[escYOUnited]

Please post any and all discussions regarding the contest itself, host country and city, organisation, rumours and other topics not related to any specific country's selection process.

 

[Realest]

Im wondering which Delegations were the other 20% (around 9/43).
Im almost sure are among them.
Im pretty sure were among the other 80%.

 

[BorisBubbles]

50/50 is fine. The problem is that individual jurors hold too much power because national juries are only five people strong. Expand the amount of jurors for most countries (give San Marino an exemption) and the voting becomes a lot fairer.

Also fewer music industry people on those juries ffs. The music world is small and full of nepotism.

 

[ESC94]

I´m ok with the current system, so I´m quite satisfied.

 

[tuorem]

Personally, I just wish we could get back to the 2016-2018 way of revealing the televote points.

I don't care that there's alledgedly less suspense towards the end, at least I can clearly see who is in the televoters' top 10 and who won the televote in case of disagreement. It's much less confusing and the acts rewarded by us voters get more air time.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I think it should be 2/3 televote and 1/3 jury vote. As for the presenting of the points there does need to be changes, although I like the ending bit. Maybe each country giving individual televote and jury votes (just the top 3 of the televote announced), then the remaining 1/3 of the televote being announced altogether at the end.

 

[Loindici]

Also fewer music industry people on those juries ffs. The music world is small and full of nepotism.

In terms of ERT , however, given the question of how easy it is -geografika- the "small" countries participating in Eurovision, to find members for the jury who have not been associated with any record company that happens to be represented in the competition.

I guess this has been answered indirectly by Koufopolou. In other words, small countries are kinda struggling to find non-associated jury members.

 

[MalagaToledo]

I think it should be 2/3 televote and 1/3 jury vote. As for the presenting of the points there does need to be changes, although I like the ending bit. Maybe each country giving individual televote and jury votes (just the top 3 of the televote announced), then the remaining 1/3 of the televote being announced altogether at the end.

I like your way of thinking, but they will never give more leverage to people who vote for it cause this system works for Sweden. Bjorkman wants that 7th win and he will do it by any cost. This system works perfectly for Sweden. One individual jurror has the same power as million of your votes. BTW, I like current announcement of votes cause you can see the same night who jurry screw*d up, huge discrepancies and we don't have to wait until next week. So we can be mad right away at burrocracy of esc so smth drastically changes. Because this system is the start of the end of eurovision.

 

[Loindici]

I like your way of thinking, but they will never give more leverage to people who vote for it cause this system works for Sweden. Bjorkman wants that 7th win and he will do it by any cost. This system works perfectly for Sweden. One individual jurror has the same power as million of your votes. BTW, I like current announcement of votes cause you can see the same night who jurry screw*d up, huge discrepancies and we don't have to wait until next week. So we can be mad right away at burrocracy of esc so smth drastically changes. Because this system is the start of the end of eurovision.

Yes, you hate Sweden, but your arguments get more ridiculous overtime. Can we also admit Austria, Malta, Cyprus, Denmark, and Norway also benefited from having the juries (most of the time)?

 

[MalagaToledo]

Yes, you hate Sweden, but your arguments get more ridiculous overtime. Can we also admit Austria, Malta, Cyprus, Denmark, and Norway also benefited from having the juries (most of the time)?

I'll ask you to never again put your words in my mouth OK? I've never said I hate Sweden. That's first, secondly, my arguments DON'T get more ridiculous over time because at least I have valid, factual arguments on my side unlike others who after I roasted them never come after me again. I don't hate sweden, I hate the treatments and benefits sweden gets from jurry, but u don't understand that cause u are probably not from europe and I'm not sure u understand concept of esc. Hating a country (not my case) and hating benefits a certain country gets are 2 completely different things.

Malta, Cyprus, Denmark and Norway have benefits from jurry? OK, facts, years when they benefited from jurry and what place they got from them?

U mean same Norway who won public voting in 2019, but finished outside top 5 because of hurry? That Norway?? I do hope u better prepare yourself and get a lot of facts, proofs before u try to get in discussion with me. This is a life lesson for u.

 

[Loindici]

Let's review some of the remarkably jury-friendly placements these countries get in the past 5 years. jury points =J, Televote points =T, Q=Qualified. If there's a year higher in televote, i will put (higher in televote) instead.


1. 2019: Q, 107 J (4th) vs 50 T(10th) --- 14th, 87 J (10th) vs 20 T (22nd)
2. 2018: DNQ, but qualified with the juries. 93 J (5th) vs 8 T (last)
3. 2017: DNQ, but qualified with the juries. 55 J (8th) vs 0 T (last)
4. 2016: Q, 155 J (win) vs 54 T (9th) --- 12th, 137 J (4th) vs 16 T (21st)
5. 2015: DNQ, but qualified with the juries. 84 J (5th) vs 32 T (12th)
Malta is confirmed as a jury-friendly country.


1. 2019: Q, 95 J (4th) vs 54 T (10th) --- 13th, 77 J (11th) vs 32 T (20th)
2. 2018: (higher in televote)
3. 2017: (higher in televote)
4. 2016: (higher in televote)
5. 2015: (higher in televote in semi) --- 22nd, 63 J (9th) vs 8 T (23 rd)
Okay, seems I overlooked Cyprus. The only times they're higher in juries is 2019.


1. 2019: DNQ, and it's from an error... 21 J (16th) vs 0 T (last)
2. 2018: higher in televote, but higher in jury placement (weird). 115 J (2nd) vs 116 T (5th) --- 3rd, 271 J (win) vs 71 T (13th)
3. 2017: Q, 115 J (4th) vs 32 T (14th) --- 16th, 93 J (11th) vs 0 T (last)
4. 2016: (higher in televote)
5. 2015: they got 26th, but in separate points... 40 J (13th) vs 0 T (last)
Austria is a jury-friendly country.


1. 2019: Q, 53 J (9th) vs 41 T (11th) --- 12th, 69 J (12th) vs 51 T (15th)
2. 2018: (higher in televote)
3. 2017: Q, 96 J (5th) vs 5 T (16th) --- 20th, 69 J (13th) vs 8 T (21st)
4. 2016: (DNQ but higher in televote)
5. 2015: DNQ, 51 J (12th) vs 23 T (14th)
Denmark's entry can sometimes be jury-friendly, can sometimes be televote-friendly. Not in an extreme degree.


1. 2019: (higher in televote)
2. 2018: same points, but higher in jury placement (weird yet again ). 133 J (2nd) vs 133 T (3rd) --- higher in final tevote.
3. 2017: Q, 137 J (3rd) vs 52 T (8th) --- 10th, 129 J (6th) vs 29 T (15th)
4. 2016: (DNQ but higher in televote)
5. 2015: Q, 144 J (3rd) vs 104 J (5th) --- 8th, 163 J (7th) vs 43 T (17th)
Norway has mixed records, like Denmark.


considerably, we can also put:
(so predictable, isn't it?)
1. 2019: (higher in semi televote) --- 9th, 153 J (6th) vs 131 T (7th)
2. 2018: Q, 130 J (3rd) vs 82 T (7th) --- 20th, 90 J (12th) vs 9 T (last)
3. 2017: Q, 139 J (2nd) vs 21 T (15th) --- 9th, 171 J (4th) vs 2 T (25th)
4. 2016: Q, 188 J (win) vs 142 T (2nd) --- 2nd, 320 J (win) vs 191 T (4th)
5. 2015: 5th, 224 J (4th) vs 132 T (6th)
Well, no explanation needed.


1. 2019: (higher in semi televote) --- 8th, 202 J (5th) vs 100 T (8th)
2. 2018: DNQ, but exactly got 47 (12th) from either T or J.
3. 2017: Q, 87 J (5th) vs 63 T (8th) --- 14th, gets more points from the jury. 78 J (12th) vs 42 T (11th)
4. 2016: Q, higher in televote points, just higher in jury placement. 92 J (6th) vs 93 T (7th) --- (higher in final televote)
5. 2015: Q, 67 J (9th) vs 37 T (11th) --- (higher in final televote)
Azerbaijan. Who doesn't love them? Turns out they're not as jury-friendly as we thought.


1. 2019: DNQ, 50 J (12th) vs 20 T (15th)
2. 2018: DNQ, 71 J (9th) vs 20 T (16th)
3. 2017: (higher in televote)
4. 2016: Q, 92 J (6th) vs 93 T (7th) --- 10th, 130 J (6th) vs 51 T (16th)
5. 2015: Q, 139 J (2nd) vs 112 T (3rd) --- (higher in final televote)
Belgium's entry mostly relies on juries.


1. 2019: Q, both 140 pts but higher position in televote. 140 J (3rd) vs 140 T (2nd) --- (win, but higher in televote)
2. 2018: Q, 127 J (4th) vs 47 T (12th) --- 18th, 89 J (13th) vs 32 T (19th)
3. 2017: Q, 149 J (2nd) vs 51 T (9th) --- 11th, 135 J (5th) vs 15 T (19th)
4. 2016: Q, 102 J (5th) vs 95 T (5th) --- 11th, 114 J (11th) vs 39 T (17th)
5. 2015: DNQ, 70 J (5th) vs 23 T (23rd)
Our 2020 host is a jury-friendly host, too, but Duncan is one exception.


1. 2019: (DNQ but higher in televote)
2. 2018: (DNQ but higher in televote)
3. 2017: DNQ, 62 J (8th) vs 37 T (13th)
4. 2016: Q, 84 J (7th) vs 39 T (11th) --- 20th, 80 J (14th) vs 24 T (20th)
5. 2015: Q, higher in televote score and jury position. 90 J (3rd) vs 96 T (4th) --- 11th, 62 J (10th) vs 52 T (13th)
So, probably audiences prefer entries in Kartuli, while the juries prefer some English.


1. 2019: 16th, 67 J (13th) vs 38 T (18th)
2. 2018: 13th, 114 J (8th) vs 59 T (17th)
3. 2017: (higher in televote)
4. 2016: 6th, 148 J (3rd) vs 109 T (9th)
5. 2015: 25th, 24 J (19th) vs 4 T (26th)
Usually, France gets a lot of support from fans, but this kinda tells otherwise.

(I hink it was a mistake making this as a reply to a particularly disliked forum member. I'll probably make the ones for televoting next time to compliment this)

 

[ESC94]

[MENTION=16735]Loindici[/MENTION]

Just ignore him, it´s absolutely not worth to feed this unfriendly troll.

 

[MalagaToledo]

[MENTION=16735]Loindici[/MENTION]

Just ignore him, it´s absolutely not worth to feed this unfriendly troll.

Take an advice from another user who tried, but lost in discussion with me. I always win when others don't have facts, arguments and are not prepared. It's the best advice he can give it to u. Just ignore me.

 

[MalagaToledo]

I believe that winner of 2020 will be someone who has never won before or hasn't won for a long period of time. Hmm

 

[Loindici]

[MENTION=16735]Loindici[/MENTION]

Just ignore him, it´s absolutely not worth to feed this unfriendly troll.

Yeah, I'd probably let him dare to dream, [MENTION=16784]ESC94[/MENTION].

At least now I'm surprised to learn that turns out to be jury-friendly

 

[shameless]

which award show has / had no host?

The Oscars and the Emmys this year. Even though I agree its saving time and we are spared from some bad jokes (it always depends on who is hosting though) I felt it was somehow emotionless and missing something. Especially on a show like ESC I couldn't imagine it. At least on awards shows you have presenters of categories who have some interaction with the people who go up on stage. Imagine to just have Siri announce the winner at the end who has to just go on stage and not getting their first words as a victor at all (its always one of my favourite moments of the show). You just need a conférencier and I love the fact that every year it's totally da different shot. Didn't get why there had to be so many lately, 2 are absolutely enough. 3 is the limit, four is too much.

 

[Miloutchi]

Take an advice from another user who tried, but lost in discussion with me. I always win when others don't have facts, arguments and are not prepared. It's the best advice he can give it to u. Just ignore me.

Are you so stupid that you think you’ve won an argument once the other person starts ignoring you? Oh, boy, you need to learn a few life lessons. 90% of the time it means the other person has won, really. And in your case, it definitely means they have won.

That being said, I hope we don’t get these ‘spontaneous’ jokes from the hosts, but I wouldn’t want the hosts to disappear completely. Even though it usually is just some background noise to me, I think hosts are an important part of the contest. Otherwise it would not feel like a show anymore.

 

[ESC94]

Are you so stupid that you think you’ve won an argument once the other person starts ignoring you? Oh, boy, you need to learn a few life lessons. 90% of the time it means the other person has won, really. And in your case, it definitely means they have won.

That being said, I hope we don’t get these ‘spontaneous’ jokes from the hosts, but I wouldn’t want the hosts to disappear completely. Even though it usually is just some background noise to me, I think hosts are an important part of the contest. Otherwise it would not feel like a show anymore.

I´m afraid he really thinks this. I think we don´t do anything wrong when we just ignore him.

 

[MalagaToledo]

Wow, look at them talking few last pages about me. Ladies, this isn't about me, I know u admire me and I'm flattered, but stay on topic, okay.

 

[Mainshow]

The Oscars and the Emmys this year. Even though I agree its saving time and we are spared from some bad jokes (it always depends on who is hosting though) I felt it was somehow emotionless and missing something. Especially on a show like ESC I couldn't imagine it. At least on awards shows you have presenters of categories who have some interaction with the people who go up on stage. Imagine to just have Siri announce the winner at the end who has to just go on stage and not getting their first words as a victor at all (its always one of my favourite moments of the show). You just need a conférencier and I love the fact that every year it's totally da different shot. Didn't get why there had to be so many lately, 2 are absolutely enough. 3 is the limit, four is too much.

+ The MTV Video Music Awards occassionally have no hosts, e.g. VMA's 2007, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2018 and it totally worked. I agree with you, though, award shows are different (since we still have the presenters of the categories) but I wouldn't mind the contestants/entrants of Eurovision to present/introduce a few entries, explain the rules... we just need someone for the voting ceremony really.

When it comes to giving the trophy to the new winner. I wouldn't mind the previous winner to speak a few words and announce the winner, etc.

There a few decent hosts in Eurovision's history but most of them, in my humble opinion, were just painfully dull (thanks to the scripted "jokes").

 

[MalagaToledo]

My favourite host of all times remains N. K. I'm not familiar with Dutch scene, but I hope we get representation like with Israeli host. Maybe cornald mass, even though he said its unlikely scenario.