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Please post any and all discussions regarding the contest itself, host country and city, organisation, rumours and other topics not related to any specific country's selection process.
 

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This logic doesn't jive with me because it assumes the Spanish songs are always good and well... they just aren't lol? Your statement holds for "La venda" which was their first good entry since 2014 and had bombed because of its bizarre staging (which I loved ftr), but Edurne, Barei, Manel and Almaia were all doomed by their songs . Nobody takes Spain seriously because they sent silly, frivolous shitsongs all the time.

The issue is wider than just songs. I doubt TVE has any clue what to do and they appear all too eager to blame everyone other than themselves. I have not forgotten Wiwibloggs's interview with Almaia's staging director who blamed the FANS for daring to like other songs (especially "Toy") more and accused RTP of sabotaging "Tu cancion" for not catering exactly to his capricious needs... like, how about you fucking adapt yourself to the facilities provided by the host, you entitled piece of shit? It's sad that a country as passionate about ESC as Spain gets constantly dragged down by the bitter old nags that run their entry mill. bah.

Weelllll I kinda disagree on the entry front. Spain is actually my favourite esc country this turn of the century. Going back some years, for me personally, they've had some amazing entries. 2009 loved, 2011 loved, my 12 that year, 2013 great also although I know it's not widely popular, 2015 I loved also Edurne had so much potential and the ruined it by over staging and messing with it too much. 2019 was great although on reflection I do think 'Nadie Se Salva' would have been more current and stronger option. 2012 was good, and I grew to like 2016 although at the time i despised it as Spain had abandoned their amazing language for generic English and I was bitter af over it. Really the only bad entry from them since the juries come in was 2010, absolutely horrendous song and I doubt i'll get over how they picked that circus horror show over Coral Segovia. Quite possibly the number 1 best example of picking the wrong entry. Also Manel. :'D But I don't want to get into that Mirela robbery and rigged NF. They deserved last for that and Almehia and Alfred was just so boring. However this is all kinda subjective to taste really.

The rest I do agree with though, the team is an absolute tragic mess and in some respects the opposite working to the BBC. BBC in the past couple of years has proven somewhat competent at staging but songs are just a tragic mess. TVE, it's the opposite way round. That team has taken some solid entries and absolutely ruined them with such appalling staging and then blamed everyone elses except themselves. I remember reading after Barei very nearly walked from it all as they refused to do anything she wanted and we ended up with that empty mess of a staging with the random pause.
 

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I'm not gonna deny TVE's incompetence in Eurovision, but sorry, I don't understand that a f*cking puppet on stage is the excuse to suddenly dislike a song and not vote for it, and singers doing an awful live performance is ok and they vote for it anyway. Please. Or because the song is in English and not Spanish. I'm glad people like our language and I definitely prefer our entries to be in Spanish, but if ONE YEAR we sing in English it's an automatic reason to bin the song?
 

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I'm not gonna deny TVE's incompetence in Eurovision, but sorry, I don't understand that a f*cking puppet on stage is the excuse to suddenly dislike a song and not vote for it, and singers doing an awful live performance is ok and they vote for it anyway. Please. Or because the song is in English and not Spanish. I'm glad people like our language and I definitely prefer our entries to be in Spanish, but if ONE YEAR we sing in English it's an automatic reason to bin the song?

I'm gonna assume it was a dig at me that, but as a reason on it's own? no, it's not. However it's not the sole reason. I found the entire thing insanely overhyped, especially by Spanish eurofans. I called out the flop, got lynched and then it happened. xshrug A long that, I found the choosing on an English song an act of desperation on TVE side. The literal only reason they did it was because they seem to think only English could win. I criticised Serbia for the same after their entire history was in their native language. Also I found the song somewhat annoying. All together it manifested as some form of hate and I was happy to see it fail because it leveled over hyping eurofans and it told TVE that english doesn't mean a good result. Since then i've come to enjoy the song a bit.

as for the first part, can't speak for anyone else but I did vote for it despite the staging and I really don't think anyone decided to dislike the song because of the crap staging.
 

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I'm gonna assume it was a dig at me that, but as a reason on it's own? no, it's not. However it's not the sole reason. I found the entire thing insanely overhyped, especially by Spanish eurofans. I called out the flop, got lynched and then it happened. xshrug A long that, I found the choosing on an English song an act of desperation on TVE side. The literal only reason they did it was because they seem to think only English could win. I criticised Serbia for the same after their entire history was in their native language. Also I found the song somewhat annoying. All together it manifested as some form of hate and I was happy to see it fail because it leveled over hyping eurofans and it told TVE that english doesn't mean a good result. Since then i've come to enjoy the song a bit.

as for the first part, can't speak for anyone else but I did vote for it despite the staging and I really don't think anyone decided to dislike the song because of the crap staging.

Not only you, I've seen a lot of comments that Spain should sing in Spanish (well, that countries should sing in their native language in general), and while I agree that it's the best to make the show less boring, to make it more diverse and promote the respect for all the languages in Europe, I didn't understand the special hate on Barei's song. As I've said in other posts before, I also think it's unfair underrating our song because there is a bunch of Spanish eurofans being so annoying, as it also means punishing all the other Spanish respectful eurofans that watch Eurovision with the hope of not flopping again. Not to mention that it's also punishing a singer that made an effort to compose a song, a decent song despite what everyone says, like her work is absolutely worthless if her fans become crazy. And I remind you that Say Yay won the televote in the NF, it was chosen by the public, not by TVE (you could see they weren't really excited to send a song in English actually). I myself voted for it because I loved it and I still love this song. That NF was not like the circus in 2017.
 

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OT: Seemone won OGAE 2nd Chance Contest with 2 Points over Il Volo :(
 

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Glad to see Aly Ryan finishing Top 5 for Germany.
She would have made Germany appear on the left side of the scoreboard last May, for sure!

Congrats, France!
 

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Searching on Booking all I can find is rooms for more than 600 euros for two nights for Rotterdam. All the hostels and cheaper hotels are already booked for the dates. Do you think this will still change and there will be more available rooms for cheaper prices? If I end up going I don't want to spend all the salary of a month in two nights! :lol:
 

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OT: Seemone won OGAE 2nd Chance Contest with 2 Points over Il Volo :(
About right. Justice was served...at least a little bit. This is still the one of many robberies during this years NF season that I upsets me the most. I think she would've made the top 10 for France if it wasn't for some crazy cocky stans overhyping a lost case.
 

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About right. Justice was served...at least a little bit. This is still the one of many robberies during this years NF season that I upsets me the most. I think she would've made the top 10 for France if it wasn't for some crazy cocky stans overhyping a lost case.

Seemone had Bottom5 in the Televoting written all over it. She would probably get the same amount of Televotes like Birgit, Nevena and Maya Sar (without the Neighbourvotes), Claudia Pasqual etc..No way she was going to beat Hatari who came 10th. And I think even the Juries wouldnt rank her better than Top15. Bilal was Frances best Choice by far.
 

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Oh who cares about what OGAE think. Basic songs for basic bitches.
 

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Seemone had Bottom5 in the Televoting written all over it. She would probably get the same amount of Televotes like Birgit, Nevena and Maya Sar (without the Neighbourvotes), Claudia Pasqual etc..No way she was going to beat Hatari who came 10th. And I think even the Juries wouldnt rank her better than Top15. Bilal was Frances best Choice by far.
Lol, I don't think so. She got the maximum amount of points that you can get with international juries in her semi-final (60/60) and ended up first in the final. I think she would've been in the top 5 with juries, at least (or maybe 6th or 7th). The televoting would've been a bit more difficult but not bottom 5, maybe more like 7th/15th. North Macedonia got the 7th place with "Proud", after all.

Overall, I think she would've ended up between 4th (at the best) and 10th (at the worst). One thing is sure anyway, she would have done better than Bilal's 16th place.
 

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In the DE final, Seemone got points from all but one jury (Russia), and got no less than 6 points (5 of the 8 juries she got points from gave her 12). Bilal got a massive televote score mainly because of his status as a YouTuber and social media star - his fanbase is massive. However, I didn't think he would perform well at ESC because much of his base is concentrated in France and I don't think the casual viewer bought into the concept of his staging

What else do you think could have caused this demise?
 

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Lol, I don't think so. She got the maximum amount of points that you can get with international juries in her semi-final (60/60) and ended up first in the final. I think she would've been in the top 5 with juries, at least (or maybe 6th or 7th). The televoting would've been a bit more difficult but not bottom 5, maybe more like 7th/15th. North Macedonia got the 7th place with "Proud", after all.

Overall, I think she would've ended up between 4th (at the best) and 10th (at the worst). One thing is sure anyway, she would have done better than Bilal's 16th place.

Lol, you need to think outside the ESC-Fandom. Seemone has 0 international and instant Appeal, because shes a normal Girl with a normal Song and 0 Uniqueness like so many ESC-Balladsingers before her who flopped because her Song just passes by, while Bilal screams for Attention. Tamara got 60% of her Televotes from her Neighbours and for the Juries the english Language was a huge Bonus also their Songs are pretty different despite being Ballads. And btw. also Juri Veklenko, Conan Osiris, Alekseev, Jüri Pootsman etc.. won the national Juryvote in a Landslide and still flopped massively. So these Comparisons dont make Sense.
 

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Lol, you need to think outside the ESC-Fandom. Seemone has 0 international and instant Appeal, because shes a normal Girl with a normal Song and 0 Uniqueness like so many ESC-Balladsingers before her who flopped because her Song just passes by, while Bilal screams for Attention. Tamara got 60% of her Televotes from her Neighbours and for the Juries the english Language was a huge Bonus also their Songs are pretty different despite being Ballads. And btw. also Juri Veklenko, Conan Osiris, Alekseev, Jüri Pootsman etc.. won the national Juryvote in a Landslide and still flopped massively. So these Comparisons dont make Sense.

Well, we can only guess now how Seemone would fare outside of the ESC bubble. I for one don't think she has 0 instant appeal, her song got me hooked since the first second (though it lost quite a lot later on) - unlike the super dull Roi, though I might be in a minority here - and no, I don't think her voice is exactly "normal".
One more thought about this: even Mikolas Josef gave her a 12, and I think that's quite something, as their music is almost as different as :is: 2018 vs. :is: 2019.

In the end, I think she would place about the same as Bilal did.
 

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Seemone was my favorite too - while looking at it now after the contest, I wouldn't say that a top ten would happen for sure given the high scores of the top ten this year, but I think she would've had better chances than Bilal to eventually land a top ten for France. "Tous Les Deux" is seriously magical xmusic
 

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Not much of Eurovision news so far, not even FiK :(
 

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Seemone would have been in for the win of the jury votes and would have done better than North Macedonia in the televotes, because Seemone perfectly pulled heartstrings while Tamara pulled off her televotes from her voting block.
 

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Lol, you need to think outside the ESC-Fandom. Seemone has 0 international and instant Appeal, because shes a normal Girl with a normal Song and 0 Uniqueness like so many ESC-Balladsingers before her who flopped because her Song just passes by, while Bilal screams for Attention. Tamara got 60% of her Televotes from her Neighbours and for the Juries the english Language was a huge Bonus also their Songs are pretty different despite being Ballads. And btw. also Juri Veklenko, Conan Osiris, Alekseev, Jüri Pootsman etc.. won the national Juryvote in a Landslide and still flopped massively. So these Comparisons dont make Sense.
I'm not sure if you are right with your observation but we will never know. All I know is that Seemone had that x-factor with that song, the way her voice almost cracked and her emotional attach to it and it's what I define instant appeal. It for sure is very classic (some people would say old-fashioned) but a song like that just won 2 years ago and it's not your-orginary-ballad that is just forgotten in the mix of all the flamboyant-attention-seeking-entries.
 

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The juries may have enjoyed it, but Realest is right to a certain degree. Outside of the ESC bubble I can't see a televote going her way at all tbh, and I do think it would easily get lost. I never truly bought into her emotion, real or not.
 
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