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ESC 2012 FINAL DISCUSSION THREAD

FilipFromSweden

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I must say 2012 was a big year:

- The best winner ever was choosen (i think so, you don't have to :) ) and the best song ever was performed ofc, and it won!
- Two really great songs also got into my personal top 10 of all songs ever: Iceland, Cyprus and Italy
- The most underrated song ever was also choosen: Slovenias Eva - Verjamem making it 17th in the semifinal out of 18 countrys competing where 20 was voting.
- For the first time 2 songs placed 10th in a semifinal. Norway was very lucky, but Bulgaria deserved it more.
- Sweden is now sharing the 2nd place of winning most times. It is so many countrys sharing that place and i don't want to say them all.
- Sweden breaked a record in both betting and getting most 12p ever
- Anke told Azerbaijan: To have a voice is great, to have a chooise is great (or something like that), Europe is following your journey Azerbaijan! (I wounder if Azerbaijanic goverment got mad..)
- I have heard Azerbaijan had the most expensive final ever..
 

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Lithuania supported Georgia during Russia-Georgia war, so they remember that :)
So thats why Georgia loves butterflies and blind love
 

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I think EBU never wants to go back to Azerbaijan. They handled Eurovision like it would be in Libya or something! They only showed the good side of Azerbaijan, and some people had to move just to build the new arena. Giving them no compensation (is that what is called? See in swedish: kompensation) forcing them to move. They also made Armenian flags and Armenian songs forbidden in the clubs and in the arena. Azerbaijan should be ashamed! I don't remember what event they may be hosting later or what it now was, but Olympic Games or World Mastership should never be played there anymore, i think EBU should been having some force with Azerbaijan, maybe threating them with never more be in ESC if they did not make their job fair.

Dear Filip i don't understand why you so negative to hosting about Azerbaijan. Every country has good and bad side and we have also. We put our best to make happy Europe. Yeah may be you don't like it which is ok, but keep typing bla bla about us is not ok. Cause know you are pointing to nation, which is disrespectful. Yes we have bad things, and it will change yearly and i hope you mind will change too about us.
 

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I am very happy with the winner a great song, congratulations and best wishes looren Sweden, but a little disappointed with the very low Spanish punctuation. Pastora Yesterday was the best in baku, azerbaijan not understand, turkey and russia ones in the top 10 under any circumstances ahead of Spain germany and italy even after hearing this over and see Pastora (estonia albania and serbia is correct and deserved) in Spain we are happy that when it is perfect and gives everything on stage is not to blame and it was amazing, magical but you can not control certain things I think without being nationalist Spain deserved a top 5 without question.
Also I think there are countries who vote the same way as always and sorry turkey is a country that I love but no longer neighbors to vote for is who is voting and religious thing seems unbelievable to me.
In a time when you see the videos on youtube you will see the great wrong that was committed with Spain last night not giving more points.
THANKS PASTORA AND CONGRATULATIONS SWEDEN

Spain had a great singer with an average song. Pastora is very popular in Turkey too. As I said, the problem was an average song if the song was more powerful I'm sure it would get higher. I cannot understand why unsuccessful countries blame of Turkey for their failure.

This is the votes of Turkey got for the final:
10, 3, 12, 7, 4, 7, 2, 8, 5, 7, 8, 3, 1, 1, 8, 3, 5, 6, 3, 8,1

It got bits of points from 21 differet countries. It is nothing about religion and neighbours. and dont talk about religion. If it was religion whole Europe should be against Turkey. There are lots of fans of Turkish entry as it also has haters. Therefore,seeing Turkey as the responsible country for your failure is totally meaningless and not a solution to win the contest next year.
 

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Dear Filip i don't understand why you so negative to hosting about Azerbaijan. Every country has good and bad side and we have also. We put our best to make happy Europe. Yeah may be you don't like it which is ok, but keep typing bla bla about us is not ok. Cause know you are pointing to nation, which is disrespectful. Yes we have bad things, and it will change yearly and i hope you mind will change too about us.

idk, azerbaijan has been written about badly in the newspapers in sweden
 

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Dear Filip i don't understand why you so negative to hosting about Azerbaijan. Every country has good and bad side and we have also. We put our best to make happy Europe. Yeah may be you don't like it which is ok, but keep typing bla bla about us is not ok. Cause know you are pointing to nation, which is disrespectful. Yes we have bad things, and it will change yearly and i hope you mind will change too about us.

Best ESC opening I've ever seen. You guys made a good job, constructed a great new hall Cyrstal Palace just for the contest.
 

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Spain had a great singer with an average song. Pastora is very popular in Turkey too. As I said, the problem was an average song if the song was more powerful I'm sure it would get higher. I cannot understand why unsuccessful countries blame of Turkey for their failure.

This is the votes of Turkey got for the final:
10, 3, 12, 7, 4, 7, 2, 8, 5, 7, 8, 3, 1, 1, 8, 3, 5, 6, 3, 8,1

It got bits of points from 21 differet countries. It is nothing about religion and neighbours. and dont talk about religion. If it was religion whole Europe should be against Turkey. There are lots of fans of Turkish entry as it also has haters. Therefore,seeing Turkey as the responsible country for your failure is totally meaningless and not a solution to win the contest next year.
Do not blame turkey for the low Spanish punctuation, I just want you to have a reflection of the voting system and have set an example to Turkey in 2010 showed that q and that only 3 countries change in rating over 2009 and why not were finalists this seems embarrassing is impossible other than by a vote RELATED whether I remain political and religious as many points yesterday to Bosnia only be the explanation of religious vow sorry love turkey but we must report this fact and this is a music festival is a reunion of neighbors or a religious service.
 

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Do not blame turkey for the low Spanish punctuation, I just want you to have a reflection of the voting system and have set an example to Turkey in 2010 showed that q and that only 3 countries change in rating over 2009 and why not were finalists this seems embarrassing is impossible other than by a vote RELATED whether I remain political and religious as many points yesterday to Bosnia only be the explanation of religious vow sorry love turkey but we must report this fact and this is a music festival is a reunion of neighbors or a religious service.

Bosnia gave only 4 points for Turkey at grand final. So I think you should overcome your biases. If your song is powerful, all countries would vote for you as they made for Sweden's song.

and Turkey's failure last year, it was about our song. It was an average song, it eleminated. Simple is that. A few neighbour votes never can make a song good.
 

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otherwise can not be justified under any circumstances the high punctuation Russian juries by the tenderness that can awaken the Russian grandmothers, if the jury is supposed to vote in accordance to the quality of the songs and performers as a vote man who is in his house has no function and should hopefully remove the Europan Broadcasting Union to do something.
 

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Bosnia gave only 4 points for Turkey at grand final. So I think you should overcome your biases. If your song is powerful, all countries would vote for you as they made for Sweden's song.

and Turkey's failure last year, it was about our song. It was an average song, it eleminated. Simple is that. A few neighbour votes never can make a song good.

Dear friend, do not interpret my post as an attack towards religious or turkey as it is not so, I made ​​turkey as example but you could put many others.
I have not given an opinion I reported a verifiable fact.
The only one who has an opinion espresado the Spanish candidature is calling you. I have another opinion on the matter that is personal and I will not argue.
 

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Dear friend, do not interpret my post as an attack towards religious or turkey as it is not so, I made ​​turkey as example but you could put many others.
I have not given an opinion I reported a verifiable fact.
The only one who has an opinion espresado the Spanish candidature is calling you. I have another opinion on the matter that is personal and I will not argue.

I don't see your comments as an attack. But there's a common delusion of people, when their country fails. I saw that in Turkey too. When Turkey eleminated on semi final last year, lots of people said what we can do, most of europe hate Turks. On the other hand, the reason was not that. The reason was the song itself.

In the documentary of Hidden History of ESC, British ESC expert says the votes are nothing political or religious. It is just cultural. People vote for the songs they like and give a taste of their culture. I totally agree this idea.

If it was political, Cyprus would never give 8 points first time to Turkey in 2003 when Turkey won the contest first time or Turkey would never give 12 points to Greece in 2005 when Greece won the contest.

and music, it's personal taste and somehow cultural. You dont like a song in Spain, but people like the same song in east europe.
 

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I don't see your comments as an attack. But there's a common delusion of people, when their country fails. I saw that in Turkey too. When Turkey eleminated on semi final last year, lots of people said what we can do, most of europe hate Turks. On the other hand, the reason was not that. The reason was the song itself.

In the documentary of Hidden History of ESC, British ESC expert says the votes are nothing political or religious. It is just cultural. People vote for the songs they like and give a taste of their culture. I totally agree this idea.

If it was political, Cyprus would never give 8 points first time to Turkey in 2003 when Turkey won the contest first time or Turkey would never give 12 points to Greece in 2005 when Greece won the contest.

and music, it's personal taste and somehow cultural. You dont like a song in Spain, but people like the same song in east europe.
Tell me if you please as culturally justified on 12 Turkish Azerbaijan yesterday the song last year and in 2010 be so kind that I find the musical or linguistic cultural affinity in any of the 3 songs thanks.
 

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Tell me if you please as culturally justified on 12 Turkish Azerbaijan yesterday the song last year and in 2010 be so kind that I find the musical or linguistic cultural affinity in any of the 3 songs thanks.

Well they're not cultural votes, if we consider last three years song. But I call this brother votes alhtough I dont like this situation. Most of countries have "brother votes". Denmark - Sweden, Greece - Cyprus, Spain - Portugal, Turkey - Azerbaijan, Italy - San Marino bla bla almost all countries have that kind of brother vote thing. I really don't like this, but a country cannot make your song winner. These votes do not affect ranking in an important way, since most of countries have "brother votes".
 

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I'm going to analyze all the performances in HD soon. These are my first thoughts.

It's a shame really. This year's edition is totally forgettable. Norway didn't deserve to be at the bottom. Bosnia & Herzegovina, Ukraine or UK should be there instead.
Denmark at #23? Is this voting for real?
It's hard to believe Russia came 2nd with such song. If it was Portugal or Spain sending that song they will come last, undoubtedly. Eurovision is very biased right now which makes me want to get away from it.
And why is Azerbaijan's average ballad at #4 and Spain's outstanding ballad at #10? Again, because it's Spain.
Turkey is very overrated. Georgia had a similar song and they didn't qualify. Turkey came 7th place because of the televoting (diaspora), for sure.
Sweden... The winner is very cliché, I heard millions of songs like that over the years. I think Loreen won because of her peculiar dance moves. But since I was never a fan of yoga, the performance never did something for me.
Spain is the legit winner this year, in my book.
 

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idk, azerbaijan has been written about badly in the newspapers in sweden

Yeah bro, i understand. but let me give you example, When USA attack middle east, first they started "brain wash" by using media (newspaper, Tv news and internet). After all president Bush said "we are sorry, we didn't found any missile". Today news are unfair too, because they are under control. Have you ever ask yourself why they decided to write now? Is that only Azerbaijan in the world have this situation? Human rights breaks everywhere. Of course people like you definitely trust media. People who got damage house, they get paid. But media showed that "oh Azerbaijan destroying house for Eurovision". The only problem was they want extra more money and government didn't want to pay that amount. Of course we will destroy unnecessary building and rebuild new crazy project. We want to make not only Baku different city, but also Ganja, Sungayit, Qabala, Quba ... etc.

i don't want to go politic side, but only i can say the blogger who was against government they are free now, of course none of media will not say that ;)

How about event it is absolutely optional. If you don't like it ...perfect. First time everybody gets mistake, but we will learn where we did mistake and we will fix it.

I believe Sweden will do great job :).
 
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