ESC 2012 FINAL DISCUSSION THREAD

[EurovisionSmile]

In my opinion:

STOP Iceland's placing was unfair, a good song, good performance, I really couldn't believe the voting time they spent with 0 points.
OK Norway wasn't a surprise, I didn't like his performance, he can't simply sing. He was my fourth favourite before the semi, then he just disappointed me and went down my top.
OK Uk - he sang very well, but really what could you expect? A strong competetion and a very bad draw. The song is also quite forgettable.
OK Cyprus, Ukraine, Greece and France were the weakest dance songs I've heard in ESC these last years. Their final results weren't really a surprise. Fortunately it takes more than dancing and jumping to reach a good result. We had a clear evidence of it this time.
OK Sweden is a fair winner. A good performance and a great result. Europe agreed this was the one to win.
OK Serbia, Azerbaijan and Albania quality songs, excellent performances that deserve being top 5.
STOP Russia - not wasting time on commenting on this one. I've already said what I had to say about this 'song'.
STOP Predictable votings, you can easily guess most countries' top 10. Again, Sweden was a clear exception in the voting.

These are my first impressions on last night's show.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Yeah it's easy saying this for a Swedish But yeah I like overall shows, and good songs of this year too.

Sweden winning was a big part of that yes. But i mean all the songs, i liked almost every song! Hungary, Russia, Iceland, Cyprus, France, Italy!, Estonia, Norway, Romania, Denmark, Greece, Sweden, Turkey, Spain, Malta, FYROM, Ireland and Serbia had great songs! (Well, turkey was a bit okay because after listening to it sometimes it gets catchy)

 

[EurovisionSmile]

And I voted for

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Omg i voted for Iceland and it gaved nothing.. just as last year voting Estonia :?

 

[PoppySnuggleGlass]

I'm very sad about UK too. It was my favourite. It seems Jury voting is something theatrical and nothing effective over tele-voting. Otherwise, it is impossible for a music authority giving 0pt for such a beatiful song of Engelbert Humperdinck.

I have a feeling that most of the Jury vote went to Albania. I would have preferred it to go to Spain. I never expected them to give the UK high scores after last night.

 

[FallenAngelII]

Totally agree. If Euphoria was sent by San Marino, it would still win. I strongly believe that... The thing is to find a Euphoria/Fairytale kind of song, and you will win!

This is almost irrefutable. Sweden's a relatively neutral country. In the past several year's, we ended up at 18th place or worse in the final a whopping 4 times (2005, 2007-2009). In 2008, we were the jury save and in 2010, we didn't even qualify for the final. Yet last year, we got 3rd and this year, we also set a world record for most points garnered and did set a world record for most Douze Points garnered.

If San Marino had sent Loreen with "Euphoria" with the same performance, they would've won as well, probably with some Italian points to boot for a grand slam (getting points from every eligible voting country).

 

[FilipFromSweden]

How i think jury voted top 3:

1. Sweden
2. Serbia
3. Albania (...)

How i think public voted top 3:

1. Sweden
2. Russia
3. Serbia

I must ask EBU, why having the voting countrys in that order? They could have started with Italy voting giving Sweden 0, then Portugal and San Marino giving Sweden 3, and later going higher and higher and higher..

 

[FilipFromSweden]

This is almost irrefutable. Sweden's a relatively neutral country. In the past several year's, we ended up at 18th place or worse in the final a whopping 4 times (2005, 2007-2009). In 2008, we were the jury save and in 2010, we didn't even qualify for the final. Yet last year, we got 3rd and this year, we also set a world record for most points garnered and did set a world record for most Douze Points garnered.

If San Marino had sent Loreen with "Euphoria" with the same performance, they would've won as well, probably with some Italian points to boot for a grand slam (getting points from every eligible voting country).

Garnered? Sure we breaked the record of most 12p but Alexander Rybak for Norway still has the record with 387 points over Loreens 372.. Damn Italy! Damn Portugal! Damn San Marino! Why did not they help us?

 

[Kristina]

You are counting a bit wrong. Azerbaijan got 150 points where they had the chanse getting it from 41 countrys, same for all the big 5, all the other semifinalists only got the chanse to get points from 20 countrys.

I thought about it, that's why I didn't number the finalists in the ranking cause it wouldn't be too accurate. Basically in the semis one country had the chance of getting an average of 1,1 points (20/17) from each country and in the final it had the chance of an average 1,6 points (41/26).

But you can still compare the order of the SF countries, with their scores in semi and finals respectively.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I think EBU never wants to go back to Azerbaijan. They handled Eurovision like it would be in Libya or something! They only showed the good side of Azerbaijan, and some people had to move just to build the new arena. Giving them no compensation (is that what is called? See in swedish: kompensation) forcing them to move. They also made Armenian flags and Armenian songs forbidden in the clubs and in the arena. Azerbaijan should be ashamed! I don't remember what event they may be hosting later or what it now was, but Olympic Games or World Mastership should never be played there anymore, i think EBU should been having some force with Azerbaijan, maybe threating them with never more be in ESC if they did not make their job fair.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I thought about it, that's why I didn't number the finalists in the ranking cause it wouldn't be too accurate. Basically in the semis one country had the chance of getting an average of 1,1 points (20/17) from each country and in the final it had the chance of an average 1,6 points (41/26).

But you can still compare the order of the SF countries, with their scores in semi and finals respectively.

Well yes

 

[Sean]

They could have started with Italy voting giving Sweden 0, then Portugal and San Marino giving Sweden 3, and later going higher and higher and higher..

Surely you mean going u-u-u-u-u-uuuup...

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Surely you mean going u-u-u-u-u-uuuup...

Haha yes
but i liked that Sweden raised fast, otherwise i would have puked out of being so nervous.

 

[Synergise]

Votes from the Finnish jury, along with the combined results.

Jury | Combined
12 - Sweden | Sweden
10 - Estonia | Estonia
8 - Denmark | Russia
7 - Spain | Iceland
6 - Russia | Albania
5 - Iceland | Denmark
4 - France | Ireland
3 - Germany | Spain
2 - Albania | Serbia
1 - Norway | Germany

Source: http://satumaa.yle.fi/euroviisut/20...mariston-kokoonpano-ja-suomen-antamat-pisteet

We can't be sure of much, except that Serbia got at least 4 points from televoting (which would mean Germany received 1), Ireland got at least 7 (definitely 7 if Denmark received 0 from televoting), and that Albania got at least 6 points from televoting. Iceland got at least 4 points, which means Russia got at least 5. Estonia didn't get the 12 points from televoting, so it might have been something like this.

Possible results (potential combination in brackets, public+jury)
12 - Sweden (12+12)
10 - Estonia (8 + 10)
8 - Russia (10+6)
7 - Iceland (4+5)
6 - Albania (6+2)
5 - Denmark (0+8)
4 - Ireland (7+0)
3 - Spain (0+7)
2 - Serbia (5+0)
1 - Germany (2+3)

(copy and pasted from the Finland thread. I suppose it's relevant here too )

 

[avermynon]

Can any Azeri speakers tell me what the Israeli presenter said? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvwGeCkbr-c

 

[point]

I am very happy with the winner a great song, congratulations and best wishes looren Sweden, but a little disappointed with the very low Spanish punctuation. Pastora Yesterday was the best in baku, azerbaijan not understand, turkey and russia ones in the top 10 under any circumstances ahead of Spain germany and italy even after hearing this over and see Pastora (estonia albania and serbia is correct and deserved) in Spain we are happy that when it is perfect and gives everything on stage is not to blame and it was amazing, magical but you can not control certain things I think without being nationalist Spain deserved a top 5 without question.
Also I think there are countries who vote the same way as always and sorry turkey is a country that I love but no longer neighbors to vote for is who is voting and religious thing seems unbelievable to me.
In a time when you see the videos on youtube you will see the great wrong that was committed with Spain last night not giving more points.
THANKS PASTORA AND CONGRATULATIONS SWEDEN

 

[CypriotGirl]

Juries placing Russia so high proved that a reason why they exist (to make joke entries not to be placed high) is not true anymore... How on earth Russia came 2nd?

 

[CypriotGirl]

I am very happy with the winner a great song, congratulations and best wishes looren Sweden, but a little disappointed with the very low Spanish punctuation. Pastora Yesterday was the best in baku, azerbaijan not understand, turkey and russia ones in the top 10 under any circumstances ahead of Spain germany and italy even after hearing this over and see Pastora (estonia albania and serbia is correct and deserved) in Spain we are happy that when it is perfect and gives everything on stage is not to blame and it was amazing, magical but you can not control certain things I think without being nationalist Spain deserved a top 5 without question.
Also I think there are countries who vote the same way as always and sorry turkey is a country that I love but no longer neighbors to vote for is who is voting and religious thing seems unbelievable to me.
In a time when you see the videos on youtube you will see the great wrong that was committed with Spain last night not giving more points.
THANKS PASTORA AND CONGRATULATIONS SWEDEN

Spain has the curse of not having so many friends voting for it. It deserved a top 3 placing, not 10th!

 

[FilipFromSweden]

How did you guys get juryresults?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Juries placing Russia so high proved that a reason why they exist (to make joke entries not to be placed high) is not true anymore... How on earth Russia came 2nd?

I think jury is just following their hearts. The public just love Babushki, 6 very old ladies that are just so cute. Jury is people to you know