ESC 2012 FINAL DISCUSSION THREAD

[moop]

Oh man I was on pins and needles the whole show. I've never been so nervous/excited/happy during the voting since 1991. I'm SOO happy we won! I still can't believe it. And I can't believe we don't have to worry about the semi-finals next year, hehe.

im as happy as when punk won the title in shy town

 

[moop]

Exactly! Hahahaha

dude we have to do it...........YES!..........YES!...........YES!......................,..................YEEEEEEES!

 

[Matt]

Blog is up

http://www.escforums.com/content.php/192-BLOG-ESC-2012-Final-My-Impressions

 

[Andalublue]

You always get Portugal's 12 points, so don't complain

Not always, just recently. Since you've been trying to suck up.

 

[moop]

IT WAS THE BEST EUROVISION FOR ALL TIME! THANK YOU AZERBAIJAN, THANK YOU BAKU!!! THANK YOU LOREEEEEN!!!!!!!!

the presenters were the worst ever though

 

[Andalublue]

What about Germany won last year? I dont think the open winners are related with voting blocks. Sweden had an interesting song and it took votes from all countries not just from nordic block. If Spain does the same, it would take a close number of points to Sweden.

"Open winners", what are they?

Read the rest of my posts, Which of those countries I have listed do you believe could win?

 

[wayneofway]

Well, the final was a total surprise to me. First I expected Iceland to win...which was miles away even from the top ten. Very very underrated as it's a classy ESC song.
Second: congratulations to our Roman. Almost the only middle European song in the top ten (except for Sweden).

The ESc was half full of ballads, half full of dance songs. Obviously this year people went for ballads, so there was no room left for all the dance songs except for Loreen...who was benefitting from the fact that all the dance songs sounded almost the same so people couldn't decide.

What about Turkey? it was a dance song.

 

[Stargazer]

im as happy as when punk won the title in shy town

HAHA YESSS me too!!!

dude we have to do it...........YES!..........YES!...........YES!......................,..................YEEEEEEES!

YES YES YES!!!!

 

[LakZaNokte]

What about Turkey? it was a dance song.

I wouldn't call that a dance song.
it's somewhere between uptempo and middletempo
2

 

[Ivannia]

It's nothing about being Swedish or not. You had a charming song for people and all countries voted for you.

Absolutely, didn't mean it like that I was just expressing my gratitude for everybody who voted!

 

[wayneofway]

"Open winners", what are they?

Read the rest of my posts, Which of those countries I have listed do you believe could win?

You are nonsense. You say if Loreen singed the same song for Spain instead of Sweden, you think Spain, Italy or France couldn't win? All countries voted for Sweden. It's nothing about "block votes". All countries voted really high for Sweden. Even if you discard votes of all Nordic countries, Sweden still would win. None of countries could win an ESC, with "block votes". You have to get votes from all countries to win ESC, and that is about creativity of your song you sent.

For instance, Turkey won Eurovision only once and Turkey got 8 points from even Cyprus which always give 0 points to Turkey.

To sum up, to win an ESC you need to send a creative enough song and get votes from all countries. Block votes will never be sufficient to win a contest. I dont think Spain, Italy and France send any interesting songs if we consider last years of ESC. Germany sent one last year and it won. Simple is that.

 

[Sternling]

The Big 5 are for sure the big sponsors of the ESF. If they wouldn't put money into the ESF, it wouldn't exist anymore.
One important question: Are the east european countries gonna invest the biggest amount of money in the ESF?
I don't think so. And still the majority of them keep fucking up the ESF by political voting. This is the truth.
For It has nothing to do with objectivity of music. For me the ESF can quit forever if this keeps on.
I'm very glad that in the end the best artist has won, and that was Sweden!
Turkey and Russia heavily overrated! Germany and Spain far and far better!
Roman Lob of Germany wil at least have a big international hit with his song "standing still" and well deserved.

 

[Deleted member 5361]

EDITED.

 

[Deleted member 5361]

My Personal Ranking:

12 Sweden 1st

10 Spain 10th

8 Norway 26th

7 Ireland 19th

6 Cyprus 16th

5 Denmark 23rd

4 Italy 9th

3 Iceland 20th

2 Ukraine 15th

1 France 22nd

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11th Albania 5th
12th FYR Macedonia 13th
13th Romania 12th
14th Germany 8th
15th Azerbaijan 4th
16th Estonia 6th
17th Greece 17th
18th Russia 2nd
19th Malta 21st
20th Bosnia & Herzegovina 18th
21st Hungary 24th
22nd Serbia 3rd
23rd Lithuania 14th
24th United Kingdom 25th
25th Moldova 11th
26th Turkey 7th



PREDICTIONS:

TOP 10: -alphabetical order-

Azerbaijan YES

Greece NO

Iceland NO

Ireland NO

Italy YES

Romania NO

Russia YES

Serbia YES

Spain YES

Sweden YES



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11 - 17: -alphabetical order-

Albania NO

Denmark NO

Estonia NO

Cyprus YES

Norway NO

Turkey NO

Ukraine YES





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18 - 23 -alphabetical order-

France YES

Malta YES

Macedonia NO

Moldova NO

Germany NO

United Kingdom NO



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Bottom 3: -alphabetical order-

Bosnia & Herzegovina NO

Hungary YES

Lithuania NO



My 12 Predictions:

Albania - Italy NO

Montenegro - Serbia YES

Romania - Moldova YES

Austria - Sweden YES

Ukraine - Russia NO

Belarus - Russia YES

Belgium - Sweden YES

Azerbaijan - Turkey YES

Malta - Sweden NO

San Marino - Italy NO

France - Sweden YES

United Kingdom - Ireland NO

Turkey - Azerbaijan YES

Greece - Cyprus YES

Bosnia & Herzegovina - Serbia NO

Moldova - Romania YES

Bulgaria - Greece NO

Switzerland - Sweden NO

Slovenia - Serbia YES

Cyprus - Greece YES

Croatia - Serbia YES

Slovakia - Serbia NO

FYR Macedonia - Albania YES

Netherlands - Sweden YES

Portugal - Spain YES

Iceland - Denmark NO

Sweden - Ireland NO

Norway - Sweden YES

Lithuania - Sweden NO

Estonia - Sweden YES

Denmark - Iceland NO

Ireland - Sweden YES

Latvia - Sweden YES

Spain - Sweden YES

Finland - Sweden YES

Georgia - Russia NO

Italy - Spain NO

Serbia - FYR Macedonia YES

Germany - Ireland NO

Russia - Azerbaijan NO

Hungary - Serbia NO

Israel - Sweden YES






I am really happy, I am just feeling euphoric at the moment. I have been waiting for this for years. GRATTIS LOREEN! I am sad that most of the countries from my TOP 10 could not do it to the actual TOP 10 though, but nothing can make me unhappy because EUPHORIA HAS WON!

 

[wayneofway]

The Big 5 are for sure the big sponsors of the ESF. If they wouldn't put money into the ESF, it wouldn't exist anymore.
One important question: Are the east european countries gonna invest the biggest amount of money in the ESF?
I don't think so. And still the majority of them keep fucking up the ESF by political voting. This is the truth.
For It has nothing to do with objectivity of music. For me the ESF can quit forever if this keeps on.
I'm very glad that in the end the best artist has won, and that was Sweden!
Turkey and Russia heavily overrated! Germany and Spain far and far better!
Roman Lob of Germany wil at least have a big international hit with his song "standing still" and well deserved.

Turkey had a very uniform distribution of points this year, lots of bits of votes from lots of different countries. This is a clear proof that there are people who like this song, and some others dont like it. So 7th place, IMO, was the exact place Turkey deserved. and Russia, it's nothing about song. It's just about sexy grannies.

The song of Germany, I really like this song. But it's not an ESC song. I would like to listen to that song on my ipod hundreds of time. But I'll never vote for that kind of song in ESC.

 

[Sternling]

You are nonsense. You say if Loreen singed the same song for Spain instead of Sweden, you think Spain, Italy or France couldn't win? All countries voted for Sweden. It's nothing about "block votes". All countries voted really high for Sweden. Even if you discard votes of all Nordic countries, Sweden still would win. None of countries could win an ESC, with "block votes". You have to get votes from all countries to win ESC, and that is about creativity of your song you sent.

For instance, Turkey won Eurovision only once and Turkey got 8 points from even Cyprus which always give 0 points to Turkey.

To sum up, to win an ESC you need to send a creative enough song and get votes from all countries. Block votes will never be sufficient to win a contest. I dont think Spain, Italy and France send any interesting songs if we consider last years of ESC. Germany sent one last year and it won. Simple is that.

And the 8 points from the netherlands to Turkey came from the Turkish televoters living in the netherlands, that you know that! I wouldn't vote for that song!

 

[wayneofway]

And the 8 points from the netherlands to Turkey came from the Turkish televoters living in the netherlands, that you know that! I wouldn't vote for that song!

Obviously there are more Dutchs than Turks living in Netherlands. Instead of complaining about Turkish minority voting for their own country, I think you should complain about Dutchs who doesnt vote for ESC. If enough numbers of Dutch vote, it's impossible for Turkish minority there to control Netherlands votes. Simple math, right. So I dont understand the complaints of Netherlands, Germany, Italy or France. Their public is not interested in ESC, and this affects the song they send or the votes they get. They are not obviously interested in ESC, so why do you complain about it?

Furthermore, for instance, Malta gave 8 points to Turkey today. There's nothing turkish minority in Malta. They like the song and voted. Votes of Netherlands, Germany and Azerbaijan is not sufficient to have a good standing. You should at least have some quality song with its some respects.

 

[Trece]

 

[wayneofway]

And the 8 points from the netherlands to Turkey came from the Turkish televoters living in the netherlands, that you know that! I wouldn't vote for that song!

..and Netherlands' entry, it was a great peaceful song. But your singer had a tuning problem during live performance. This caused not to qualify for the grand final. The other ironic thing is that, your represantative, this singer, was partly Turkish while you complain about the votes of Turks living there.

 

[Sternling]

Turkey had a very uniform distribution of points this year, lots of bits of votes from lots of different countries. This is a clear proof that there are people who like this song, and some others dont like it. So 7th place, IMO, was the exact place Turkey deserved. and Russia, it's nothing about song. It's just about sexy grannies.

The song of Germany, I really like this song. But it's not an ESC song. I would like to listen to that song on my ipod hundreds of time. But I'll never vote for that kind of song in ESC.

It has nothing to do with liking the song, the song of Turkey was also not good. And neighbours are only voting on eachother to get points next year from their neighbours. It has totally nothing to do with objectivity.
It has all to do with tactics. It is not a fair competition anymore.
For instance, we have good artists in the netherlands, but they don't wanna go to the ESC, because they don't want to spoil their carreers and that is logical. (Caro Emerald, Within Temptation etc)
We are ashamed of the candidates which are send to the ESC. For years we are giving feedback to the organizers of the National Song Contest but they don't listen to the creative ideas of people on the dutch forums.
For instance, within the different talent shows (The Voice of Holland, So You Think You Can Dance, Ultimate Dance Battle) we have found very good dancers and singers and the broadcaster is not using them.
The dutch people want change in this but the TV Broadcaster doesn't listen. We are frustrated to be eliminated for the 8th time. So be lucky your country Turkey is always in the final instead of being eliminated.
We had chosen for another candidate but got eliminated by dutch televoters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vvOqMFSJs. What do you think of this song?