ESC 2012 FINAL DISCUSSION THREAD

[Mannone]

Yes they do. Just read a article about the jury dress rehearsal on eurovision.tv

Allright!

Well, my point is: don't take this as serious competing. There are simply too much that people never get to know. What makes me most happy? Not that my country won, but that I found a whole bunch of new melodies to get addicted to. That is what Eurovision gives me. In a month I will be watching serious competing during Euro 2012, probably still listening at my new Eurovision-CD.

 

[papillon]

What it means is that it's difficult for Cyprus or Greece to complain about political voting patterns when they have been giving one another 12 points forever. Other nations can seriously claim that they want a 'clean' contest that votes on merit, not politics.

its not politics. last year the greek song was in greek. in cyprus, we speak..... GREEK!! loucas represented greece, he is from AND LIVES IN.... cyprus!!! its not politics.

 

[pyryniemi]

Surprised Lithuania and Cyprus are so high and that Romania , Ukraine, Greece, Iceland and Denmark are so low.

I think Spain and Macedonia didn't do so well in the televoting (((

 

[EurovisionSmile]

First of all the system is wrong because we have jury-voting. Five people from each country gets 50 % of that countries share. Nothing good comes from that. Anyway, that is not a reply to what you say here, but then just think about how this carousel is actually organized. Bribes, baby. The votes are probably distributed, or wait, sold by auction, between neighbouring countries. There really is not much we know about this. I think voting psychology and political issues are nothing but a tiny bit of this. A few men are in control of this, and they only care about money. Think about it. Do EBU even have a scrutinizing organ or something? Do they send a supervisor to be present in every country during the jury-voting?

This is all about money. A country that wouldn't afford to arrange this circus never will win. Maybe the song needs a little bit of public support, but I believe the victory could easily be bought. Speculating like this makes Eurovision less interesting to take part in, and the viewers really never get to know how things work. Everything could be prearranged. Televoting? They laugh behind our backs.

I agree.

 

[issorus71]

its not politics. last year the greek song was in greek. in cyprus, we speak..... GREEK!! loucas represented greece, he is from AND LIVES IN.... cyprus!!! its not politics.

No, it's family (almost)

 

[Andalublue]

First of all the system is wrong because we have jury-voting. Five people from each country gets 50 % of that countries share. Nothing good comes from that. Anyway, that is not a reply to what you say here, but then just think about how this carousel is actually organized. Bribes, baby. The votes are probably distributed, or wait, sold by auction, between neighbouring countries. There really is not much we know about this. I think voting psychology and political issues are nothing but a tiny bit of this. A few men are in control of this, and they only care about money. Think about it. Do EBU even have a scrutinizing organ or something? Do they send a supervisor to be present in every country during the jury-voting?

This is all about money. A country that wouldn't afford to arrange this circus never will win. Maybe the song needs a little bit of public support, but I believe the victory could easily be bought. Speculating like this makes Eurovision less interesting to take part in, and the viewers really never get to know how things work. Everything could be prearranged. Televoting? They laugh behind our backs.

Wow! That takes things beyond even what I said, but you may be right. I think a lot depends on who really, really wants it, and who is willing to pay for the pleasure. (Aren't so many things in life decided like that?) No, I don't believe the EBU probably scrutinises votes enough, and after all, who scrutinises the EBU? ESC is run like so many other international events such as football and the Olympics. Money talks, but the money, from the Big 5, may well begin to talk in a loud voice against the way things seem to be going at the moment.

It will be very interesting to look at viewing figures for those countries I listed, to see if the trend is up or down. If it is dramatically down, rest assured they will consider withdrawal because the ESC is a lot more expensive to screen than a movie or a chat show for the countries who currently bank-roll the show.

 

[Joyride]

Well, the final was a total surprise to me. First I expected Iceland to win...which was miles away even from the top ten. Very very underrated as it's a classy ESC song.
Second: congratulations to our Roman. Almost the only middle European song in the top ten (except for Sweden).

The ESc was half full of ballads, half full of dance songs. Obviously this year people went for ballads, so there was no room left for all the dance songs except for Loreen...who was benefitting from the fact that all the dance songs sounded almost the same so people couldn't decide.

 

[LakZaNokte]

First of all the system is wrong because we have jury-voting. Five people from each country gets 50 % of that countries share. Nothing good comes from that. Anyway, that is not a reply to what you say here, but then just think about how this carousel is actually organized. Bribes, baby. The votes are probably distributed, or wait, sold by auction, between neighbouring countries. There really is not much we know about this. I think voting psychology and political issues are nothing but a tiny bit of this. A few men are in control of this, and they only care about money. Think about it. Do EBU even have a scrutinizing organ or something? Do they send a supervisor to be present in every country during the jury-voting?

This is all about money. A country that wouldn't afford to arrange this circus never will win. Maybe the song needs a little bit of public support, but I believe the victory could easily be bought. Speculating like this makes Eurovision less interesting to take part in, and the viewers really never get to know how things work. Everything could be prearranged. Televoting? They laugh behind our backs.

this is a bold statement from some1 who just won.
I'm starting to like u

fact#1 juries can be arranged
fact #2 televoting can be arranged (who counts that? who controls that counting?)

that's all.

p.s. not saying that Swe bought this victory. just discussing generally.

 

[AdelAdel]

if this was your comments about your top13, it says more about your personal taste, then the publics. Thanks for you input though, but maybe,, just maybe,, it isn't the songs that's off, it might just be your taste?, either way, no disrespect intended, I hope that poland will be back for next years ESC. I've liked the last entrys from there very much, but then again, that's my personal taste.

It wasn't my top 13, I was saying which songs should've been higher/lower in my opinion. And tbh I don't care if Poland returns. The broadcaster and the public is too upset about the contest right now.

 

[AdelAdel]

this is a bold statement from some1 who just won.
I'm starting to like u

fact#1 juries can be arranged
fact #2 televoting can be arranged (who counts that? who controls that counting?)

that's all.

p.s. not saying that Swe bought this victory. just discussing generally.

And then we start to think that sports games are fixed, elections are fixed and everything in the world is fixed, you shouldn't think that way, especially since it's something not just between 2 countries, but the whole Europe takes part in it.

 

[Andalublue]

its not politics. last year the greek song was in greek. in cyprus, we speak..... GREEK!! loucas represented greece, he is from AND LIVES IN.... cyprus!!! its not politics.

I think you'll find that what you explain there is precisely what I mean... politics. In a song contest, why should it mean anything at all that someone speaks your language? It's politics that makes you think, "Hmmm, he's singing in Greek. My mother tongue is Greek, so I must vote for him." If you were judging on merit that wouldn't be a consideration.

 

[LakZaNokte]

Allright!

Well, my point is: don't take this as serious competing. There are simply too much that people never get to know. What makes me most happy? Not that my country won, but that I found a whole bunch of new melodies to get addicted to. That is what Eurovision gives me. In a month I will be watching serious competing during Euro 2012, probably still listening at my new Eurovision-CD.

I like predicting. I'm proud when I'm right and I laugh when I fail (I really do laugh).
that's my joy here

 

[Spencre]

I think that Albania is number 1 for jury's vote!

 

[papillon]

No, it's family (almost)

xyeah

 

[issorus71]

And then we start to think that sports games are fixed, elections are fixed and everything in the world is fixed, you shouldn't think that way, especially since it's something not just between 2 countries, but the whole Europe takes part in it.

Common!, what are you getting at, a few hours ago, Sweden was a lost cause due to the snowflake in the throat. Did she buy her way out? really?

It wasn't my top 13, I was saying which songs should've been higher/lower in my opinion. And tbh I don't care if Poland returns. The broadcaster and the public is too upset about the contest right now.

Whatever....
at least i've enjoyed Polands last years entrys, and I hope they'll be back again next year.

but with you being soooooo way off in your own judgement comparing to the actual results, in just about every song you mentioned....well, I don't know what to say,, either you're off, or the entire europe is off...... or is the whole europe bought?

 

[papillon]

I think you'll find that what you explain there is precisely what I mean... politics. In a song contest, why should it mean anything at all that someone speaks your language? It's politics that makes you think, "Hmmm, he's singing in Greek. My mother tongue is Greek, so I must vote for him." If you were judging on merit that wouldn't be a consideration.

how about, hmm he sings in greek, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SINGING ABOUT?!?!

 

[Andalublue]

And then we start to think that sports games are fixed,

They are. All the time.

elections are fixed

Erm, Russian presidentials? Iranian general election?

and everything in the world is fixed,

Not everything, just everything that matters.

you shouldn't think that way,

Yes, you should, because that's how the world works.

the whole Europe takes part in it.

That's the good bit. Yes, they do at the moment, but for how much longer once certain countries realise that they are being cheated out of the chance to win?

 

[Mannone]

Wow! That takes things beyond even what I said, but you may be right. I think a lot depends on who really, really wants it, and who is willing to pay for the pleasure. (Aren't so many things in life decided like that?) No, I don't believe the EBU probably scrutinises votes enough, and after all, who scrutinises the EBU? ESC is run like so many other international events such as football and the Olympics. Money talks, but the money, from the Big 5, may well begin to talk in a loud voice against the way things seem to be going at the moment.

It will be very interesting to look at viewing figures for those countries I listed, to see if the trend is up or down. If it is dramatically down, rest assured they will consider withdrawal because the ESC is a lot more expensive to screen than a movie or a chat show for the countries who currently bank-roll the show.

Exactly. The Big 5 is where this become interesting. But first we have to think about Azerbaijan. Their last year victory was just too much in time with their application for the summer olympics in 2020. Baku had to be marketed in a good way, and why not Eurovision? They wanted it badly and they managed to get it. I'm not saying the song was bad, not at all. But it was enough for them to have a professionally produced song to get the victory. The song had enough of support.

Big 5? They should be the force that are pulling against this. They waste a lot of money on this and they are certainly present at every moment. But maybe this is just a facade, and there are no Big 5 at all. I do think Big 5 exists, but what if everything is a conspiracy, ruled by a small group? The Big 5 is what makes my theory unlikely, right? And THAT is also why it is likely. They know that the Big 5-facade is a shield, especially when these countries doesn't often win.

Who knows. What do we know?

 

[AdelAdel]

Whatever....
at least i've enjoyed Polands last years entrys, and I hope they'll be back again next year.

but with you being soooooo way off in your own judgement comparing to the actual results, in just about every song you mentioned....well, I don't know what to say,, either you're off, or the entire europe is off...... or is the whole europe bought?

I really don't understand what you're trying to say... I was presenting my OWN opinion, which happens to be different, than most of other people, what is wrong with that?

 

[AdelAdel]

They are. All the time. Erm, Russian presidentials? Iranian general election?

So you believe that all soccer, basketball, baseball, whatever championships and their winners were fixed?
As for elections I wasn't talking about dictatorships, but democracies like countries belonging to the EU