ESC 2012 FINAL DISCUSSION THREAD

[Logichno]

Congrats to Sweden! It wasn't my favorit, but considering who could have won instead, it was a great result
I am glad Italy, Estonia, Germany and Spain all ended up in top 10.

 

[eerik]

In the top 10, five songs are not in English.

Three. Italy is mostly in English and nobody cares for the Udmurtian verses of Russian song, it was all about "party for everybody, come on and dance" chorus.

 

[DanielLuis]

Interesting you pick one example, and an example in which Italy, despite all the hype and excitement of them returning to the contest after so many years away, was still beaten by bloc voting. No, they can't win. People will notice that only one country (Germany) in the past 10 years has won without benefitting from bloc or diaspora voting. That tells its own story.

Sweden and Norway definetely didnt benefit from block voting alone. If all other scandinavian countries give them 12 points thats around 60 points...even if 60 points were taken away from them they'd still win....

 

[Andalublue]

u forgot cyprus in that list!

Well, Cyprus can always guarantee 12 points from... y'know.

But yes, Cyprus could be a part of that list.

 

[FallenAngelII]

LoL fear not, we'll get to worry again in 2014.

Or will we?

 

[Andalublue]

Sweden and Norway definetely didnt benefit from block voting alone. If all other scandinavian countries give them 12 points thats around 60 points...even if 60 points were taken away from them they'd still win....

I didn't say that they win only because of bloc voting. No one can win solely due to bloc voting. I think what I'm saying is that you can't win WITHOUT bloc or diaspora voting.

 

[Dessi]

Or will we?

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[Helena21]

Well, Cyprus can always guarantee 12 points from... y'know.

But yes, Cyprus could be a part of that list.

yeah right...cause one country can make a whole difference...

 

[Deleted member 5361]

THAT WAS THE BEST MOMENT OF MY LIFE. I am just speechless. I am still shaking and crying. I am so happy that Loreen managed to do that. The Swedish flags I had on my cheeks disappeared because of tears of joy. CONGRATULATIONS LOREEN, the best Eurovision entry, ever! I'll never forget this moment.

I'll write a proper message soon with my prediction results and such informations.

 

[DanielLuis]

Loreen broke the record of most 12 points! 12 points from 18 countries while Rybak got from 16 countries!

 

[Mannone]

I think that a few countries might be thinking about whether it's time for either a major rethink of how the ESC is decided or whether to pull out for a few years to see if it can reform itself. Voting, once again, was scandalously political. I've no issue with this year's winner, it's a good song and was pretty brilliantly marketed to ESC viewers and jurists. Good for Sweden and congratulations to Loreen, although she could look and sound a little happier to have won.

No, I think that the problem becomes that certain countries have worked out that they have no possible chance of winning the ESC as it is currently organised, no matter how good their song might be. I'd suggest that France, Spain, UK, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Israel, Georgia, Bulgaria, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary and Malta will never win as none of them belong to any voting bloc that will swing behind a great song and ensure victory. Nor do any of them have large diasporas that can influence third party voting patterns.

Given the cost of participation for a lot of very hard-up broadcasters, I'd be unsurprised if more than a couple of these countries decide to pull out in the near(ish) future.

First of all the system is wrong because we have jury-voting. Five people from each country gets 50 % of that countries share. Nothing good comes from that. Anyway, that is not a reply to what you say here, but then just think about how this carousel is actually organized. Bribes, baby. The votes are probably distributed, or wait, sold by auction, between neighbouring countries. There really is not much we know about this. I think voting psychology and political issues are nothing but a tiny bit of this. A few men are in control of this, and they only care about money. Think about it. Do EBU even have a scrutinizing organ or something? Do they send a supervisor to be present in every country during the jury-voting?

This is all about money. A country that wouldn't afford to arrange this circus never will win. Maybe the song needs a little bit of public support, but I believe the victory could easily be bought. Speculating like this makes Eurovision less interesting to take part in, and the viewers really never get to know how things work. Everything could be prearranged. Televoting? They laugh behind our backs.

 

[Margerita86]

Or will we?

Oi, let's wait until we know next year entrants before we start making any predictions about a repeat performance... lol

 

[Andalublue]

yeah right...cause one country can make a whole difference...

What it means is that it's difficult for Cyprus or Greece to complain about political voting patterns when they have been giving one another 12 points forever. Other nations can seriously claim that they want a 'clean' contest that votes on merit, not politics.

 

[AdelAdel]

I find it sad that this year's winner was sooo predictable, I mean c'mon... I wanted a surprise. How about an idea in which countries would pick contestants secretly and they would perform at the contest and people wouldn't know which country is the singer from - they would vote for the song, and not the country. Of course I'm writing this as a joke since it's not possible to do a thing like this, but if it was possible it would've been awesome.

 

[DanielLuis]

First of all the system is wrong because we have jury-voting. Five people from each country gets 50 % of that countries share. Nothing good comes from that. Anyway, that is not a reply to what you say here, but then just think about how this carousel is actually organized. Bribes, baby. The votes are probably distributed, or wait, sold by auction, between neighbouring countries. There really is not much we know about this. I think voting psychology and political issues are nothing but a tiny bit of this. A few men are in control of this, and they only care about money. Think about it. Do EBU even have a scrutinizing organ or something? Do they send a supervisor to be present in every country during the jury-voting?

This is all about money. A country that wouldn't afford to arrange this circus never will win. Maybe the song needs a little bit of public support, but I believe the victory could easily be bought. Speculating like this makes Eurovision less interesting to take part in, and the viewers really never get to know how things work. Everything could be prearranged. Televoting? They laugh behind our backs.

Yes they do. Just read a article about the jury dress rehearsal on eurovision.tv

 

[Luki]

Norway's result wasn't surprising, he can't sing. He sounded awful.

TRUE! But last place c'mon that was completely unexpected. Oh wait, not for Norway.

 

[LakZaNokte]

I didn't say that they win only because of bloc voting. No one can win solely due to bloc voting. I think what I'm saying is that you can't win WITHOUT bloc or diaspora voting.

I pretty much agree.
I was thinking about that while watching voting. and I wasn't even considering win, I was thinking of good ranking.
it is very difficult for some1 outside of blocks and without diaspora to achieve good ranking cause when u think about it, those countries actually can only hope for 6 or 7 from some1 who is in some block or has siginificant diaspora from other country.

 

[Margerita86]

Norway is a fun eurovision country they can do well one year and then wind up last once again and keep their record for their last placements.

 

[issorus71]

Some final thoughts:

Winner - not gonna comment, there are more serious problems with esc than this year's winner
Russia - predictable, although ridiculous
UK - a great song sung by a legendary performer, if this was 20 years ago, he would have won
Albania - no, just no... I don't get how this could get so high, it was just shouting!
Bosnia - beautiful song, should've been higher
Cyprus & Greece - my personal favorites and I predicted one of them as a potential winner, these countries' position is the most ridiculous thing that happened in the final
France - so underrated...
Italy & Spain - both great songs, deserved the top 3, and not something around 10th place...
Norway - I thought the song was catchy, and it came last?!
Azerbaijan - didn't expect it to make this high, but congratulations to them, it was a decent song
Malta - I hoped it would be higher, especially after being drawn 21st to perform
Denmark -
Ukraine - I thought this would be in the top 5...

if this was your comments about your top13, it says more about your personal taste, then the publics. Thanks for you input though, but maybe,, just maybe,, it isn't the songs that's off, it might just be your taste?, either way, no disrespect intended, I hope that poland will be back for next years ESC. I've liked the last entrys from there very much, but then again, that's my personal taste.

 

[DanielLuis]

Norway is a fun eurovision country they can do well one year and then wind up last once again and keep their record for their last placements.

Well actually since they won its been downhill...2010 around 20th last year SF's and this year last....