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ESC 2012 FINAL DISCUSSION THREAD

Andalublue
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I think that a few countries might be thinking about whether it's time for either a major rethink of how the ESC is decided or whether to pull out for a few years to see if it can reform itself. Voting, once again, was scandalously political. I've no issue with this year's winner, it's a good song and was pretty brilliantly marketed to ESC viewers and jurists. Good for Sweden and congratulations to Loreen, although she could look and sound a little happier to have won.

No, I think that the problem becomes that certain countries have worked out that they have no possible chance of winning the ESC as it is currently organised, no matter how good their song might be. I'd suggest that France, Spain, UK, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Israel, Georgia, Bulgaria, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary and Malta will never win as none of them belong to any voting bloc that will swing behind a great song and ensure victory. Nor do any of them have large diasporas that can influence third party voting patterns.

Given the cost of participation for a lot of very hard-up broadcasters, I'd be unsurprised if more than a couple of these countries decide to pull out in the near(ish) future.
 
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Andalublue said:
I think that a few countries might be thinking about whether it's time for either a major rethink of how the ESC is decided or whether to pull out for a few years to see if it can reform itself. Voting, once again, was scandalously political. I've no issue with this year's winner, it's a good song and was pretty brilliantly marketed to ESC viewers and jurists. Good for Sweden and congratulations to Loreen, although she could look and sound a little happier to have won.

No, I think that the problem becomes that certain countries have worked out that they have no possible chance of winning the ESC as it is currently organised, no matter how good their song might be. I'd suggest that France, Spain, UK, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Israel, Georgia, Bulgaria, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary and Malta will never win as none of them belong to any voting bloc that will swing behind a great song and ensure victory. Nor do any of them have large diasporas that can influence third party voting patterns.

Given the cost of participation for a lot of very hard-up broadcasters, I'd be unsurprised if more than a couple of these countries decide to pull out in the near(ish) future.
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Last year Italy came 2nd! How can you say they cant win! Thats ridiculous!
 
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I dunno, but did you see that the audience stood still when Laureen won, and when the points were awarded ? Almost no booh in the hall. Maybe it was because the show ran until 3 am, but... ?
 
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Andalublue said:
I think that a few countries might be thinking about whether it's time for either a major rethink of how the ESC is decided or whether to pull out for a few years to see if it can reform itself. Voting, once again, was scandalously political. I've no issue with this year's winner, it's a good song and was pretty brilliantly marketed to ESC viewers and jurists. Good for Sweden and congratulations to Loreen, although she could look and sound a little happier to have won.

No, I think that the problem becomes that certain countries have worked out that they have no possible chance of winning the ESC as it is currently organised, no matter how good their song might be. I'd suggest that France, Spain, UK, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Israel, Georgia, Bulgaria, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary and Malta will never win as none of them belong to any voting bloc that will swing behind a great song and ensure victory. Nor do any of them have large diasporas that can influence third party voting patterns.

Given the cost of participation for a lot of very hard-up broadcasters, I'd be unsurprised if more than a couple of these countries decide to pull out in the near(ish) future.
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Exactly.

Now days it is diaspora + region votes + mediocre song written by a swede.
 
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I just realized that Russia(2 nd place ) has more points(259 ) than last year's winners Azerbaijan (221) :eek:
 
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I am glad.

Why?

Yes, of course, Sweden has won. I'm really happy for that.

But I'm even happier about one thing:

In the top 10, five songs are not in English. Congrats to those countries which send entries in their own languages, and especially Estonia and Albania which have achieved their best results that way! Keep doing that!
 
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Andalublue said:
I think that a few countries might be thinking about whether it's time for either a major rethink of how the ESC is decided or whether to pull out for a few years to see if it can reform itself. Voting, once again, was scandalously political. I've no issue with this year's winner, it's a good song and was pretty brilliantly marketed to ESC viewers and jurists. Good for Sweden and congratulations to Loreen, although she could look and sound a little happier to have won.

No, I think that the problem becomes that certain countries have worked out that they have no possible chance of winning the ESC as it is currently organised, no matter how good their song might be. I'd suggest that France, Spain, UK, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Israel, Georgia, Bulgaria, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary and Malta will never win as none of them belong to any voting bloc that will swing behind a great song and ensure victory. Nor do any of them have large diasporas that can influence third party voting patterns.

Given the cost of participation for a lot of very hard-up broadcasters, I'd be unsurprised if more than a couple of these countries decide to pull out in the near(ish) future.
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u forgot cyprus in that list!
 
Andalublue
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DanielLuis said:
Last year Italy came 2nd! How can you say they cant win! Thats ridiculous!
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Interesting you pick one example, and an example in which Italy, despite all the hype and excitement of them returning to the contest after so many years away, was still beaten by bloc voting. No, they can't win. People will notice that only one country (Germany) in the past 10 years has won without benefitting from bloc or diaspora voting. That tells its own story.
 
DanielLuis
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Yamarus said:
I am glad.

Why?

Yes, of course, Sweden has won. I'm really happy for that.

But I'm even happier about one thing:

In the top 10, five songs are not in English. Congrats to those countries which send entries in their own languages, and especially Estonia and Albania which have achieved their best results that way! Keep doing that!
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Estonia won in 2001 with a song in english-
 
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