Croatia CROATIA 2024 - Baby Lasagna - Rim Tim Tagi Dim

[ESC United Mod Team]

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[HayashiM]

The needed points for an win might be (a lot) lower than usual, so I wouldnt rule out a croatian win. I am just surprised its the big odds favourite. We do have some of the wildest odds ever this year. Every little info seems to have strong influence and the market just cant make up its mind.

I think this is the answer. A bunch of countries all getting something in the 300-400 range with no one monopolising either the juries nor the televote the way we are used to. In which case something like 150 from the juries and 250 from the televote seems like a plausible way to win for . Still, 3.2 is likely too little, there's probably some value right now with the other frontrunners.

 

[han-g]

Being a zoomer means I associate Eurovision with Eastern Europe and the Balkans especially from growing up. Eurovision finally coming back home to the Balkans after so many years would be amazing, I'd love for a non-Western country that isn't Ukraine to win.

If he just copy-pasted the music video to the stage I would fully be behind this, despite the song not being among my personal favourites. What worries me is that he seems to be keeping the fist-pump dance, which was one of the parts of the Dora performance that seemed to be the least thought-out. I get that he wants a meme-able dance, but it just looks pretty lame and stationary. Compare it to Joost's choreography during his chorus.

If I was the director for this my first move would be to press the big shiny delete button on everything from the Dora performance, so that makes me worry if he is planning to keep other things as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't it only go to the balkans three times (ones of those in 1990), I thought a zoomer would connect it more to the nordics given that between 2006 and 2014 it was hosted in a nordic country four times and twice in the balkans.

 

[han-g]

I think this is the answer. A bunch of countries all getting something in the 300-400 range with no one monopolising either the juries nor the televote the way we are used to. In which case something like 150 from the juries and 250 from the televote seems like a plausible way to win for . Still, 3.2 is likely too little, there's probably some value right now with the other frontrunners.

I don't know this year looks like someone could dominate the jury vote again. Not sure who but the juries certainly have less options than the televote.

 

[HayashiM]

I don't know this year looks like someone could dominate the jury vote again. Not sure who but the juries certainly have less options than the televote.

Certainly, the juryvote is likely to get a lot more concentrated behind a bunch of songs - the question is what is the spread inside of that group gonna look like - someone could pull a Loreen, or we could just get 5 high scoring songs without any of them reaching a significant advantage. I don't say I see it as super likely, just that should win, then this is the plausible path for me.

 

[tararaaam]

I quite like this song, and he is super charming. However, I can definitely see that it tries to step on some of the steps of Finland last year. But it does it in a more monotone, less charismatic way. 8 points.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I don't know why but I can clearly see some "Gabbani factor" for this entry: very popular, colourful, quirky, but in the end unsuccessful despite being one of the odds favourite and the fandom favourite.

For Croatians fans, I hope to be wrong: I will be really happy if Croatia wins. But sometimes It gives me this impression.

 

[4815162342]

I don't know why but I can clearly see some "Gabbani factor" for this entry: very popular, colourful, quirky, but in the end unsuccessful despite being one of the odds favourite and the fandom favourite.

For Croatians fans, I hope to be wrong: I will be really happy if Croatia wins. But sometimes It gives me this impression.

2017 was a wild year.
Just looked up the day1 1st Press Rehearsals. Norma John won day 1 with 72 points while Blanche was last with 0 points.
On day 2 Artsvik landslided the poll with 100 points while SunStroke Project still got a respectable 69 points (day 2 was garbage though, so there wasnt even much to chose from)
On day 3 Nathan Trent won with 79 points in front of Yodel It, O'G3NE, and Origo. In the final Austria had 0 televote points.
Day 4 was fine with Kristian Kostov winning with 97 points.
Day 5 Italy dominated the poll with 133 points. There wasnt really much to chose from. Its still interesting how high this was compared to Alma getting 31 points. The press surely wasnt dissappointed with his rehearsals.

 

[Bmbriga]

Carpet look

 

[AliceEsc]

I'd be happy with any of the top 4 in the odds winning, but a win just feels more special to me. I'll definitely vote a few (or many) times for rim tim dagi dim.

 

[aef]

A win would be a huge surprise for me tbh. I don’t see enough jury support. He won’t get 150 jury points or something like that. I expect like 50-100 jury points and 200-250 televoting points.

I believe that is the most likely winner followed by .

 

[Alcatraz]

A win would be a huge surprise for me tbh. I don’t see enough jury support. He won’t get 150 jury points or something like that. I expect like 50-100 jury points and 200-250 televoting points.

I believe that is the most likely winner followed by .

Wishful thinking.

 

[aef]

Wishful thinking.

I‘d be totally fine with winning. Especially because I’d love to see a new country winning (if you don’t count the 1989 win). But I don’t really see the path to victory. Could you explain it to me? is no jury song. It won’t have as much support as had last year. I just don’t see that. And I really don’t expect a televoting result over 300 points.

 

[MopManMoss]

I like this song I really do but ever since Dora I have tried to see what all the people who want it to win see and I just can't, in parts it reminds me of Bulgaria 2022.

Yes it has a nice message and isnt complete generic rock the entire time but I cannot understand why people want it to win and I've really tried.

I do however want it to do well

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

I like this song I really do but ever since Dora I have tried to see what all the people who want it to win see and I just can't, in parts it reminds me of Bulgaria 2022.

Yes it has a nice message and isnt complete generic rock the entire time but I cannot understand why people want it to win and I've really tried.

I do however want it to do well

I don't like the song at all but I sort of feel like I wouldn't mind it winning. I find it pretty inoffensive, BL seems like a great guy, I like the cat references and I'd like next year's edition to go somewhere new.

Re the jury support, I agree it isn't the type of entry that typically does well with the jury. I wonder though would jury members feel inclined to mark it more favourably because of it being one of the hot favourites.

 

[Ted Talks]

I like this song I really do but ever since Dora I have tried to see what all the people who want it to win see and I just can't, in parts it reminds me of Bulgaria 2022.

Yes it has a nice message and isnt complete generic rock the entire time but I cannot understand why people want it to win and I've really tried.

I do however want it to do well

I’ve never been the song’s biggest fan and was very harsh on it upon reveal. I’m still not keen but don’t hate it but the desire for it to win does mystify me too.

It does feel like a lot of it is ‘just because it’s Croatia’ which is as weak a reason as you can get to me. But then again I’m not bothered by the same kinds of counties winning again and again as I want a song to win more than a country.

I don't like the song at all but I sort of feel like I wouldn't mind it winning. I find it pretty inoffensive, BL seems like a great guy, I like the cat references and I'd like next year's edition to go somewhere new.

Re the jury support, I agree it isn't the type of entry that typically does well with the jury. I wonder though would jury members feel inclined to mark it more favourably because of it being one of the hot favourites.

I would hope not. Kind of defeats the point of the jury if they’re thinking ‘this is already really popular, so we must mark it that way’.

I know some will argue that happened last year but I would find this more questionable if Croatia got a healthy jury score similar to Loreen and Kaarija (probably not Loreen levels admittedly) purely because it’s one of the favourites…

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

I know some will argue that happened last year but I would find this more questionable if Croatia got a healthy jury score similar to Loreen and Kaarija (probably not Loreen levels admittedly) purely because it’s one of the favourites…

Yeah I still wonder if this happened last year to some extent with Kaarija (jury feeling more positively inclined towards it than they normally would for such entries, because it was a hot favourite along with Loreen). Maybe, maybe not. I'm inclined to think on balance not, maybe they genuinely liked what they saw although could still have been a little biased.

Even if jury does reward Croatia handsomely, it may because they like the song and are charmed by the whole package, as many fans have been.

BTW I was never a massive fan of Cha Cha Cha although I did want it to win over Tattoo. I personally prefer CCC in every way to RTTD.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I‘d be totally fine with winning. Especially because I’d love to see a new country winning (if you don’t count the 1989 win). But I don’t really see the path to victory. Could you explain it to me? is no jury song. It won’t have as much support as had last year. I just don’t see that. And I really don’t expect a televoting result over 300 points.

Same exact thoughts. Do you guys remember how "Cha Cha Cha" was received last year? Well, if you don't, the hype for that song was 10 times higher than this year's "Rim Tim Tagi Dim" hype. People were talking about it day and night on every Eurovision Forum and that lasted from February to July/August. And last year It was only Käärja vs Loreen, nobody else in the mirrors: before Eurovision it was clear one of the two would have won the entire thing.

This year It doesn't seems to be the same, It just isn't the same scenario: the field Is more open. These are the reasons that makes me doubtful about a Croatian win. Maybe Baby Lasagna's Will win anyway, but I don't see his clear dominance with televoters...

 

[Ted Talks]

Yeah I still wonder if this happened last year to some extent with Kaarija (jury feeling more positively inclined towards it than they normally would for such entries, because it was a hot favourite along with Loreen). Maybe, maybe not. I'm inclined to think on balance not, maybe they genuinely liked what they saw although could still have been a little biased.

Even if jury does reward Croatia handsomely, it may because they like the song and are charmed by the whole package, as many fans have been.

BTW I was never a massive fan of Cha Cha Cha although I did want it to win over Tattoo. I personally prefer CCC in every way to RTTD.

I would hope that Kaarija impressed in the jury performance both vocally and for the show and got points for that - rather than just being one of the favourites.

Going off the final last year, we saw how both Loreen and Kaarija were a bit weaker on the big night itself (Loreen admitted to being nervous after I remember and Kaarija sounded breathy at times). However they both must have impressed on the jury showing and that is fine with me. The right song won overall.

If Baby Lasagne does a phenomenal performance for the juries, fair play to him. I can imagine a great public vote score, but I'm doubtful about the juries being as in love with it.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I like this song I really do but ever since Dora I have tried to see what all the people who want it to win see and I just can't, in parts it reminds me of Bulgaria 2022.

Yes it has a nice message and isnt complete generic rock the entire time but I cannot understand why people want it to win and I've really tried.

I do however want it to do well

I have your answer: Eurovision public has always liked silly onomatopoeian titles since "Boom-bang-a-bang" by Lulu, "La la la" by Massiel, "Ding-a-dong" by Teach in. Onomatopoeia is used to give a chorus more musicality and, if used in a title, public is more curiouus to see what the song sounds like because the title gives no clues. That's why "Rim Tim Tagi Dim" it's pleasant to the majority of the viewers.

 

[MopManMoss]

I have your answer: Eurovision public has always liked silly onomatopoeian titles since "Boom-bang-a-bang" by Lulu, "La la la" by Massiel, "Ding-a-dong" by Teach in. Onomatopoeia is used to give a chorus more musicality and, if used in a title, public is more curiouus to see what the song sounds like because the title gives no clues. That's why "Rim Tim Tagi Dim" it's pleasant to the majority of the viewers.

We don't know if it is pleasant to the majority of the viewers yet, it probably will be but odds aren't everything

Not long left regardless