Cheating in Eurovision voting

[Galandar]

Sorry that i post it, but i don't know what to believe... :?


The plot thickens: more vanishing points, traded points, mass sockpuppetry, and regimes buying the fan press... and the EBU?

An article full of conspiracy theories many of which are against A Z E R B A I J A N :evil:

 

[QwaarJet]

An article full of conspiracy theories many of which are against A Z E R B A I J A N :evil:

I wonder why that is?

 

[Matt]

An article full of conspiracy theories many of which are against A Z E R B A I J A N :evil:

Well, the rigging accusations are towards Azerbaijan so that shouldn't come as a surprise.

I'll wait until we have more data at hand before making too many comments but the reality is that this wouldn't be the first time for Azerbaijan to be caught up in a controversy.

 

[GWTW1939]

Also, got 10 from in the Semifinal and 0 in the Final....

The only explanation I can come up with for these "vanishing points" is the EBU saw how well certain countries they didn't want to win or place high did in the semis so they had the juries purposely rank them lower in the finals. The only way they can go from 12/10 in the semi to 1/0 in the finals was if the jury marked them lower because I don't see the televote changing that dramatically from the semi to the final at all. Televoters stick with their favorites no matter what not abandon them. All of this mess is because of the jury and their ranking system!

 

[lucian-crusher]

The only explanation I can come up with for these "vanishing points" is the EBU saw how well certain countries they didn't want to win or place high did in the semis so they had the juries purposely rank them lower in the finals. The only way they can go from 12/10 in the semi to 1/0 in the finals was if the jury marked them lower because I don't see the televote changing that dramatically from the semi to the final at all. Televoters stick with their favorites no matter what not abandon them. All of this mess is because of the jury and their ranking system!

Or could it be possible that juries don't listen to the songs. In 2010 our jury gave 0 to in the Semifinal and 8 in the Final. I mean, what did Alyosha improve in two days to get that amount of support?

 

[Galandar]

Well, the rigging accusations are towards Azerbaijan so that shouldn't come as a surprise.

I'll wait until we have more data at hand before making too many comments but the reality is that this wouldn't be the first time for Azerbaijan to be caught up in a controversy.

Yes, it is all about Azerbaijan :twisted: So what to wait? Here is a video, who cares fake or not? Here is also accusation about usual top position, how it even dares to be somewhere in top 5 and even win? NONO What to wait? Just kick this despotic state out and let ESC be the same innocent and apolitical contest as it used to be until 2008 xslap

 

[Trece]

I think it's a dirty PR campaign against Azerbaijan, and other Eastern countries.
It seems to me that these comments were specifically left, then to make of this hot news and make the rating.
Or do you think that in Eastern Europe live so stupid people who leave template comments?

 

[Trece]

[fake account]
Azerbaijan and Ukraine deserved their places, they were great!!!
[/fake account]

 

[Galandar]

I think it's a dirty PR campaign against Azerbaijan, and other Eastern countries.
It seems to me that these comments were specifically left, then to make of this hot news and make the rating.
Or do you think that in Eastern Europe live so stupid people who leave template comments?

When reputation is naturally vulnerable, it does not take much effort to ruin it all. Another thing is how random people react on it. Seems like many are more than happy to accept it even without anything being proved :roll:

 

[Trece]

When reputation is naturally vulnerable, it does not take much effort to ruin it all. Another thing is how random people react on it. Seems like many are more than happy to accept it even without anything being proved :roll:

yes, that's I mean

if i will say: Denmark and Netherlands bough juries => All will say - WHAT? Proofs
if i will say: Azerbaijan and Russia cheated => OMG! What a shame! Disqualify them!!!!!

it's funny when unpopular ESC fun-site make such articles and many people became follow them. Great marketing, i can say (as a marketer by education)

 

[GWTW1939]

Or could it be possible that juries don't listen to the songs. In 2010 our jury gave 0 to in the Semifinal and 8 in the Final. I mean, what did Alyosha improve in two days to get that amount of support?

Yes it is very possible that the juries don't listen to the songs at all and wouldn't be surprised if a majority of juries acted that way. At the same time in my opinion that's the complete opposite of the problem we have now. They didn't give a s**t about Alyosha in the semi and paid no attention to her then but perhaps during the final she won them over. Thinking indifferently of a song in the semi and then two/three days later having a change of heart (maybe it finally clicked) isn't a bad thing at all if you ask me.

In this situation is appears that songs were really liked in the semi and then two/three days later in the final dropped like a hot potato. You can gain support between the semi and final with a great draw or an even better performance then in the semi. Only way you can lose support is either a bad draw, barely passed the semi to start with, or the performance quality really dropped. None of that happened here so it makes no sense at all to see such a huge drop.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Dear EBU, punish IctamaiTV and the land of fire! O-IO

 

[FilipFromSweden]

The only explanation I can come up with for these "vanishing points" is the EBU saw how well certain countries they didn't want to win or place high did in the semis so they had the juries purposely rank them lower in the finals. The only way they can go from 12/10 in the semi to 1/0 in the finals was if the jury marked them lower because I don't see the televote changing that dramatically from the semi to the final at all. Televoters stick with their favorites no matter what not abandon them. All of this mess is because of the jury and their ranking system!

I think it has to do with that other songs that was in the other semi final / big 5 that made it to the final got more votes by jury or public and it might have lost support from televoters?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

The only song has sent that is not written by someone from is '' Day After Day '' in 2008..

 

[Hegepege]

yes, that's I mean

if i will say: Denmark and Netherlands bough juries => All will say - WHAT? Proofs
if i will say: Azerbaijan and Russia cheated => OMG! What a shame! Disqualify them!!!!!

it's funny when unpopular ESC fun-site make such articles and many people became follow them. Great marketing, i can say (as a marketer by education)

First of all, Denmark and Netherlands has been a part of the ESC since... forever, and if they were nations tempted to cheat, they would have done so years ago already. Until Azerbaijan entered the contest, the only cheating accusations I have heared of is Spain 1968, under the dictatorship of Franco. Given the rather unpopular status Azerbaijan has in the western world, it doesn't make sense that Azerbaijan gets good results every single year with nothing but rather mediocre songs. Statistically it just doesn't add up. Something is quite off here.
As I have said earlier in this thread, I doubt so much smoke can appear without a fire, and I don't trust the EBU one bit since they are so reluctant to start a full investigation of all the rumours and accusations. Jon Ola Sand doesn't seem have a spine at all, and is doing a lousy job. I'm guessing EBU knows already they are not going to like what an investigation committee will find, and to avoid excluding countries and loosing lots of money, they let it pass.
I can't say I am a fan of the politics beeing dragged into this either. The ESC should not be an issue between two countries foreign affairs ministers, and since it obviously is a topic, it REALLY makes me wonder why...

 

[HabaHaba]

I found this on one of the Facebook groups......

The plot thickens: more vanishing points, traded points, mass sockpuppetry, and regimes buying the fan press... and the EBU?

 

[lucian-crusher]

First of all, Denmark and Netherlands has been a part of the ESC since... forever, and if they were nations tempted to cheat, they would have done so years ago already. Until Azerbaijan entered the contest, the only cheating accusations I have heared of is Spain 1968, under the dictatorship of Franco. Given the rather unpopular status Azerbaijan has in the western world, it doesn't make sense that Azerbaijan gets good results every single year with nothing but rather mediocre songs. Statistically it just doesn't add up. Something is quite off here.

First of all in Eurovision 2002 there where accusations all over Europe that juries where swaping points with each other and that year we had more Western European countries, so it's not like they where saints.

Secondly, the fact that did well with mediocre songs it's your opinion. For me, was in Top 10 every year except for 2008. So, if you ask me deserved every single place and point it got!

 

[Galandar]

The only song has sent that is not written by someone from is '' Day After Day '' in 2008..

So what? Why to repeat it thousand times when we all know it. And that was not a breach of rules at all!

You sound very pathethic and partial when it comes to one particular country, sound like a true hater.

You may come from Sweden but whether you are Swede or not is a big question mark.

 

[eugoose]

So what? Why to repeat it thousand times when we all know it. And that was not a breach of rules at all!

You sound very pathethic and partial when it comes to one particular country, sound like a true hater.

You may come from Sweden but whether you are Swede or not is a big question mark.

What does him being Swedish have anything to do with Azerbaijan's entry, and the fact that they always go for Swedish-written songs?

I don't mind who it's written buy, as long as the country's identity isn't lost in it.

Azerbaijan 2009 and 2012 were amazing because you kept some of your traditional music. 2012 was just a song ANYONE from ANY country could've picked up. Would someone say this song must be from Azerbaijan if they listen to it? No.

 

[Galandar]

What does him being Swedish have anything to do with Azerbaijan's entry, and the fact that they always go for Swedish-written songs?

I was not referring to that exact argument, there are a lot of them and in all the cases the person seems to be partial and ready to bash one particular state :roll: And yes, we have unfriendly neighbours who sometimes do this kind of stuff