Cheating in Eurovision voting

[GWTW1939]

The press use OGAE as their template to tell people who the favorites are. Because outside demeaning their own entry (if your French or British ) and talking about Eastern Europe voting for each other they got nothing else so they look to the inside ESC community and OGAE is fanboy central.

And yes press/fanboy voting for rehearsals do mean something because that's where the press writes about what's happening. So the press talk about who has fallen out of favor or who becomes the big favorite. Why do you think betting odds change so much in rehearsals before it even begins? Its because outsiders are going off "what's the word" behind the scenes reported by the fanboy influenced press. Nobody except the press and fanboys watch rehearsals and they are for the most part the only information outsiders have.

OGAE/Press Rehearsals pretty much conned people into thinking Georgia and the Netherlands had a chance to win when they probably could have seen the light earlier if they went on their own ears, eyes and opinions. People were betting for those off that information and then when they finally got a chance to see them for themselves they dropped them pretty fast.

 

[Trece]

I think that Rehearsals should be hidden at all (and its very possibly)

 

[aletem]

The only explanation I can come up with for these "vanishing points" is the EBU saw how well certain countries they didn't want to win or place high did in the semis so they had the juries purposely rank them lower in the finals. The only way they can go from 12/10 in the semi to 1/0 in the finals was if the jury marked them lower because I don't see the televote changing that dramatically from the semi to the final at all. Televoters stick with their favorites no matter what not abandon them. All of this mess is because of the jury and their ranking system!

Or they used different set of juries. I mean that can also be a possibility. However, I think it should be obligatory for the split results to be revealed (both televoting and juries). If Sieste Baker thinks that this can have a counter-effect and that in future years televoting can be manipulated, then Sieste Baker should tell us who is going to do that and if someone does it - they should be punished, which would be fair enough. Since Sieste hasn't said anything specific as to why that can be violated or who can do that (or if anyone has done that), therefore they should reveal the split results in both the semi and the final! I don't think we gonna see that, unfortunately! Hopefully, I am wrong!

 

[VikingTiger]

As far as I am concerned noone has been caught and judged of cheating in esc 13. Final top 5 had no surprises comming.
As for Azerbaijan; none of their top 10 should have come as any surprise to people. People may have liked their sings or not - but all have been top 10 material the song and the presentation taken into account.
For me personally, "Running Scared" was a weak winner - in a very weak year. But hey; I don't like "Only Teardrops" any better - and I don't think this will classify as one of the "greatest" winners when we some years from now will be looking back in time.

Again; I am not ready to judge anyone just quite yet...

 

[FallenAngelII]

Let's go all out on the conspiracy theories. in the final "Birds" by Anouk got 10 points from Denmark and 8 points from Finland, Iceland Norway and Sweden (their 10's and 12's and Denmark's 12's went to neighbours). Estonia, the fringe member of the Nordic Countries (at least when it comes to Eurovision) gave Anouk 7 points.

Say, what? 4 out of 6 countries in a block gave the Netherlands, a country not even inside of their block, 8 points each, the other 2 gave her 10 and 7?! That's a mighty coincidence! Also, in the 1st semi-final, Denmark, Estonia and Sweden, the only three Nordic Block countries who were eligible to vote in the 1st semi-final, gave the Netherlands the exact same points as they gave them in the final. Wait... what?

 

[Waterfall]

Press center voting was a mess this year. People could vote as many times as they liked, in the past they were tracking your number but all you had to do is put down a name and cast your vote so some people voted dozens of times. Hopefully Denmark will do a better job!!!

But there were very few actual Georgian people about. So either they had the most number of independent fans or the most dedicated fans to keep voting for it. So either way they are fair winners and they deserved to win. So happy that they did.

 

[QwaarJet]

But there were very few actual Georgian people about. So either they had the most number of independent fans or the most dedicated fans to keep voting for it. So either way they are fair winners and they deserved to win. So happy that they did.

No they weren't fair winners. Stop going on about it. Georgia got pasted in the real thing anyway. Get over it.

 

[Waterfall]

edit because I was rude

Denmark didn't win the other two more cheat-proof categories either, so just because the general favourite didn't win it doesn't mean Georgia cheated or that it wasn't deserved. The award is the press award, and the press liked Georgia. Just because it's not who you or this forum like best doesn't mean they weren't worthy winners.

It's rude to take away the victory of Georgia. Georgia didn't do as well in the real thing, yes sure so let them enjoy what they did achieve and not try to take it away. Or laugh at them "failing". (I know they're probably too busy to care what some internet heros think of them but it's on principle.) I can't stand some songs this year but I hope I would never laugh at them and say I hope they come last, they are cheaters and didn't deserve it etc because everybody gave up months of their life and did their best for the show. So I bloody well won't get over people saying HAHA GEORGIA FAILED because Denmark sending a Eurovision-by-numbers in English with lack of native culture, and being praised because this forum likes it, and Georgia being dragged through the mud for the very same crime because the forum doesn't, quite frankly pisses me off. I do go on and on because I was trying to give some positivity about the entry when 90% of it is just nasty, spiteful comments. (Just like I've always backed up Belgium etc when there were vile comments, just to a lesser extent). But I'm not sure I can apologise for that.

I will actually stop posting now because I don't want people to cause any drama in their names or have bad feelings about them just because of what I've done or said. But really, I can do what I want.

tl;dr leave Britney Georgia alone

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Ehm, I do hope you realize that juries can be corrupt and bribed? Obviously easier to cheat WITH juries than without them!

Well, Loreen would have won with or without them in 2012... and actually it would have been MORE exciting... because as it ended up in 2012 we knew the winner for the whole time almost, which made the voting rather unexciting (although I sorta agreed with results)

I know that but with only 11 points more than Russia

 

[FilipFromSweden]

And if you think Denmark did not deserve winning, did Azerbaijan or Russia when they only came 2nd and 3rd in their semi?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Why should I care? My country won it and we are hosting it! People always say that 2001, 2002, 2008 and 2011 are the worst winners ever. Do you think that people in those countries can't sleep at night because their wining songs are considered bad? They won and they are happy. It doesen't mather what people say on youtube

Your country won it?

 

[lucian-crusher]

Your country won it?

I was talking hypothetically in case wins with Lady Gaga

 

[DanielLuis]

Why should I care? My country won it and we are hosting it! People always say that 2001, 2002, 2008 and 2011 are the worst winners ever. Do you think that people in those countries can't sleep at night because their wining songs are considered bad? They won and they are happy. It doesen't mather what people say on youtube

To be honest those are pretty much the worst winners in the past years. And it's not that I dislike those countries, I usually like 's and 's entries. I can understand why won in 2011 though, as the year was not that strong and almost all the other favorites had bad draws. I prefer 2011 to 2011 or 2011

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I was talking hypothetically in case wins with Lady Gaga

Oh, I think jury would have killed her.

 

[GWTW1939]

Hilarious how when talking about the worst winners everyone always runs to some of the Eastern winners first. What a surprise!

 

[DanielLuis]

Hilarious how when talking about the worst winners everyone always runs to some of the Eastern winners first. What a surprise!

As I've said I usually like and entries, but camon Estonia 2001 a good song? Goodness me that's just horrible! For me, I would be extremely happy with Estonia winning in 2009 for example, my favourite that year. Azerbaijan 2011 is not a great winner, but then again that year wasn't strong, and nobody would be as good winner as Sweden last year, or Denmark this year. Still, the Azeri song was decent, and probably the ebst out of the top 5.

 

[JackBauer]

Anyone with Honesty will say Estonia and Latvia's victories are among the worst ever.

Now i personnaly dislike Russia 08 very, very much and i like Azerbaijan 2011 but i can see why people love or hate them both.

What is a shame with Azerbaijan & Estonia, is that they probably won with when of their worst entries while they had some amazing ones.

 

[aletem]

I don't know why people say that Estonia and France were the worst winners of 2001 and 2002. I was around 12 when I watched the contest in Copenhagen and Estonia was my favourite along with France, when I heard them at the first time. It really didn't surprise me, because I enjoyed the Estonian song at the time. I do agree that Estonia has had better songs (year before and afterwards), but it doesn't take away the fact they had a good song in 2001 and in that weak year it was a deserved winner.
Latvia, well, I also enjoyed their performance in 2002. It was a nice song with a great and tidy choreography (I loved the dress change and the whole routine )!! Dress change was popular still then and it deservedly won!!

 

[lucian-crusher]

Hilarious how when talking about the worst winners everyone always runs to some of the Eastern winners first. What a surprise!

Actually, I was just saying what people in general say. Indeed 2002 and 2001 are the worst winners forme, but I also hate 2009, 2010 and 2013. I really love 2004, 2005, 2012, 2003, 2011 and 2008. And I kinda like 2006 and 2007

 

[DanielLuis]

Anyone with Honesty will say Estonia and Latvia's victories are among the worst ever.

Now i personnaly dislike Russia 08 very, very much and i like Azerbaijan 2011 but i can see why people love or hate them both.

What is a shame with Azerbaijan & Estonia, is that they probably won with when of their worst entries while they had some amazing ones.

Oh dont even get me started with 2008. Any of the ones that ended behind them would be more worthy winners. Ukraine, Greece, Armenia, Norway or even Serbia for the 2nd time in a row. Out of these 5 I'd prefer Armenia, Norway or Serbia though.