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lucian-crusher

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Azerbaijan 2009 and 2012 were amazing because you kept some of your traditional music. 2012 was just a song ANYONE from ANY country could've picked up. Would someone say this song must be from Azerbaijan if they listen to it? No.

What people seem to forget is that Eurovision it's a CONTEST, where the only purpose is to win or a achieve a good position. It's not a festival to promote your artists. If TVR would be able to pay Lady Gaga and she would participate for :ro with a song from an american composer and win Eurovision, I think everybody in :ro: will say that WE won, even if neither the song or the artist is ours. It's just like Real Madrid and FC Barcelona achieving succes with non-Spanish players :)
 

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I was not referring to that exact argument, there are a lot of them and in all the cases the person seems to be partial and ready to bash one particular state :roll: And yes, we have unfriendly neighbours who sometimes do this kind of stuff xshrug

your neighbours don't care for your entry,it isn't mandatory to be Armenian to bash them or deslike.here A-lister zillion times bashed Armenian entry '13 but it never occured to me to put it down on him.don't be so low-minded -)
 

Trece

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Azerbaijan gets good results every single year with nothing but rather mediocre songs.
LOL If you don't like these songs => not means that they are mediocre
and someone said before that Denmark cheated in 1962 or so, when they won because of... Norway changed their points in last moment :rolleyes:

Secondly, the fact that :az: did well with mediocre songs it's your opinion. For me, :az: was in Top 10 every year except for 2008. So, if you ask me :az: deserved every single place and point it got!
+1 I also loved them and they were in ,y top5 every year (except Safura also, i can't stand her)

FilipFromSweden,
can I ask you how are old you?
 

Trece

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Azerbaijan bought press center? :rolleyes:

press-centre-final.jpg
 

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What people seem to forget is that Eurovision it's a CONTEST, where the only purpose is to win or a achieve a good position. It's not a festival to promote your artists. If TVR would be able to pay Lady Gaga and she would participate for :ro with a song from an american composer and win Eurovision, I think everybody in :ro: will say that WE won, even if neither the song or the artist is ours. It's just like Real Madrid and FC Barcelona achieving succes with non-Spanish players :)

But why do you think 'Running Scared' gets bashed so much? Just youtube it, and you'll see many, many dislikes and many people saying how they can't understand how Azerbaijan won that year. I didn't mind the song myself, but it just proves that it doesn't matter if you win or not, but if you're going to send a Swedish-written song, with Swedish background singers, and with no reference to Azerbaijan whatsoever, you're always going to get criticism hurled at you from every angle. People can just roll their eyes and go, 'oh well, it was Sweden who truly won it.'That's why, if Sabina had won, so many more people would've respected Azerbaijan's win.

Why do you think people still remember 'Molitva'? That's right, because they stuck with Serbian lyrics, hence, keeping a part of who they are in their song. Same with 'Euphoria' - typical Swedish house number, that's very identifiable. 'My Number One'? or 'Everyway That I Can?' ALL of them have a link to their country's culture.
 

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LOL If you don't like these songs => not means that they are mediocre
and someone said before that Denmark cheated in 1962 or so, when they won because of... Norway changed their points in last moment :rolleyes:


+1 I also loved them and they were in ,y top5 every year (except Safura also, i can't stand her)

FilipFromSweden,
can I ask you how are old you?

Im 15..
 

FilipFromSweden

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So what? Why to repeat it thousand times when we all know it. And that was not a breach of rules at all!

You sound very pathethic and partial when it comes to one particular country, sound like a true hater.

You may come from Sweden but whether you are Swede or not is a big question mark.
Uhm, if im a Swede or not? I just feel like Azerbaijan just hire Swedes to write songs, without them I think Azerbaijan would never have won.
It feels like Azerbaijan never plays it clean or fare.
 

elvisontheisland

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Azerbaijan bought press center? :rolleyes:

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Press centre liked Georgia's entry?


To be perfectly serious though, I think it is time to deemotionalise the discussion here. With barely any reliable sources concerning votefixing, Azerbaijan has the benefit of the doubt. This is neither the place nor the time for trench warfare against any country, let alone for nationals of the country in question to fight back with low blows themselves.

Just wait it out, all of this speculation is worsening the mood, however bad it is now.
 

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But why do you think 'Running Scared' gets bashed so much? Just youtube it, and you'll see many, many dislikes and many people saying how they can't understand how Azerbaijan won that year. I didn't mind the song myself, but it just proves that it doesn't matter if you win or not, but if you're going to send a Swedish-written song, with Swedish background singers, and with no reference to Azerbaijan whatsoever, you're always going to get criticism hurled at you from every angle. People can just roll their eyes and go, 'oh well, it was Sweden who truly won it.'That's why, if Sabina had won, so many more people would've respected Azerbaijan's win.

Why do you think people still remember 'Molitva'? That's right, because they stuck with Serbian lyrics, hence, keeping a part of who they are in their song. Same with 'Euphoria' - typical Swedish house number, that's very identifiable. 'My Number One'? or 'Everyway That I Can?' ALL of them have a link to their country's culture.

Why should I care? My country won it and we are hosting it! People always say that :ee: 2001, :lv: 2002, :ru: 2008 and :az: 2011 are the worst winners ever. Do you think that people in those countries can't sleep at night because their wining songs are considered bad? They won and they are happy. It doesen't mather what people say on youtube :lol:
 

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I'm really sorry cause our forum members from Azerbaijan must read so many nonsenses on this topic! :(
Sorry guys but this is Europe - narcissistic creature who is convinced that he invented the world, and every nation outside of magic line Scandinavia-European Atlantic coast- eastern German border is barbarian and tyrannical world.

And then someone said me that European society is democratic and human rights venerator :lol: looooooooooooooool

Btw i'm coming from barbarian country who is always in final cause the only obligation of our millions and millions diaspora members across continent live only for that two esc day and voted for our country as lunatics.
 

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always ? :lol:

not in 2009 and 2013 :lol:

well we were busy with conquering neighboring countries, killing Gypsies, hating western countries and building new six hundred churches, but next year we will won!
 

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I think it has to do with that other songs that was in the other semi final / big 5 that made it to the final got more votes by jury or public and it might have lost support from televoters?

Yes there are more voters in the final then there are in the semis but it doesn't work that way. In the opinion polls and elections you never ask more than 4,000 yet you can be sure that WAY more than 4,000 are going to vote. The semis are about getting a general feeling about support and what will happen when the pool of voters expands. That's why songs that do great in semis usually do great in the finals and songs that barely pass the semis end up flopping.

Take the small semis sample and multiply for the final and that's what the result is going to be, support goes up not down. Your top vote getters in the semis (12/10/8/7) always get points in the finals because support for those were always strong. It may not be the same again because of more countries in the final but you still get something. It NEVER goes 12 to 0 or even 10 to 1.
 

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Press centre liked Georgia's entry?


Press center voting was a mess this year. People could vote as many times as they liked, in the past they were tracking your number but all you had to do is put down a name and cast your vote so some people voted dozens of times. Hopefully Denmark will do a better job!!!
 

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Pre-contest OGAE voting as well as press/fan voting during rehearsals are the EBU's way of trying to guide and manipulate the public view of who the favorites are, the mainstream press and the betting. Without those I believe opinion of who will win and who the favorites are would be more wide spread and less regulated to a select few. People might actually decided for themselves what songs they like and performances look good instead of being spoon fed by OGAE and the EBU who to pay attention to. Both really need to be eliminated.
 

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First of all, Denmark and Netherlands has been a part of the ESC since... forever, and if they were nations tempted to cheat, they would have done so years ago already. Until Azerbaijan entered the contest, the only cheating accusations I have heared of is Spain 1968, under the dictatorship of Franco. Given the rather unpopular status Azerbaijan has in the western world, it doesn't make sense that Azerbaijan gets good results every single year with nothing but rather mediocre songs. Statistically it just doesn't add up. Something is quite off here.
As I have said earlier in this thread, I doubt so much smoke can appear without a fire, and I don't trust the EBU one bit since they are so reluctant to start a full investigation of all the rumours and accusations. Jon Ola Sand doesn't seem have a spine at all, and is doing a lousy job. I'm guessing EBU knows already they are not going to like what an investigation committee will find, and to avoid excluding countries and loosing lots of money, they let it pass.
I can't say I am a fan of the politics beeing dragged into this either. The ESC should not be an issue between two countries foreign affairs ministers, and since it obviously is a topic, it REALLY makes me wonder why...

I have to disagree with your comment about the Azeri entries. The songs might have been mediocre, but their stage show has been amazing every year, including this year. Professional and spectacular, and maybe that appeals to people. Not so much though to justify the 4 x 12 from Malta though, that does seem rather odd.
Your comment about politics is spot on. I can't believe ministers are having talks about ESC. There must be more important things for them to spend time on. It's only a song contest, for god's sake.
 

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Pre-contest OGAE voting as well as press/fan voting during rehearsals are the EBU's way of trying to guide and manipulate the public view of who the favorites are, the mainstream press and the betting. Without those I believe opinion of who will win and who the favorites are would be more wide spread and less regulated to a select few. People might actually decided for themselves what songs they like and performances look good instead of being spoon fed by OGAE and the EBU who to pay attention to. Both really need to be eliminated.

OGAE favourites were already favourites before the OGAE voting. Also, no one cares about the press voting (nor the OGAE voting), and it's not like 98% of the viewers have ever even heard of OGAE.
 
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