Cheating in Eurovision voting

[A-lister]

I know, it's just odd but it might have some logic. There were only 16 entries in the semi, while there were 26 in the final. If jury placed it in the highest place in the semi and televoting placed it somewhere 5-10, then with combined votes it got their 12. In the final, though, maybe televoting placed it much lower, and with combined votes it got 0. Very strange, but without knowing how exactly the jury and the public voted, we can't be sure for anything.

Well, it seems even the jury are questioning the legitimacy in their own combined votes

I mean, it's hypothetically possible, but I doubt it would suddenly fall that low...

 

[angry]

But now most of the fuss is about Azerbaijan, but I would like to learn more about the role of sophisticated "western" country Malta. Are they again offering free flights.

This thread is from 2012: Malta-Azerbaijan - Eurovision - Digital Spy Forums

 

[CypriotGirl]

Well, it seems even the are questioning the legitimacy in their own combined votes

I mean, it's hypothetically possible, but I doubt it would suddenly fall that low...

Maybe they sent wrong votes to EBU? 2

(It happened to me once in WorldVision and because of my error, South Korea and Serbia were placed 5th and 6th respectively, while it would've been the other way around if I sent the votes correcty 2)

 

[A-lister]

Maybe they sent wrong votes to EBU? 2

(It happened to me once in WorldVision and because of my error, South Korea and Serbia were placed 5th and 6th respectively, while it would've been the other way around if I sent the votes correcty 2)

 

[Trece]

I know, it's just odd but it might have some logic. There were only 16 entries in the semi, while there were 26 in the final. If jury placed it in the highest place in the semi and televoting placed it somewhere 5-10, then with combined votes it got their 12. In the final, though, maybe televoting placed it much lower, and with combined votes it got 0. Very strange, but without knowing how exactly the jury and the public voted, we can't be sure for anything.

this is all that i say - new system of voting easily can hide cheating. Now all confusions we can explain by new system:?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

As every year Remember that anti-PR is also some kind of PR :twisted:

Not popular in a good way..

 

[FilipFromSweden]

so dreadful and obviously fake video and so many attention? Common people, obvious that its a provocation. Or you believe that can give to many times but ?

Reactions:
from to : oh? ok, exUSSR block voting...
from to : SOOC they bought votes!!!!

this is my point why i came here. because i think its not fair all countries pull Azerbaijan which has not good world rating :?

Its because of the video, otherwise there would be no fuss about Lithuania giving 12 points to Azerbaijan

 

[FilipFromSweden]

What i know THIS SONG FOR REAL GOT WHAT IT DESERVE.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I still think did cheat because there are so many speculations around them and has not always played clean.

Another thing that bothers me is that no matter what source you have '' you can't trust it because its fake! ''

 

[Andreea]

This kind of votes happened before we joined the contest, they happen nowadays too. Therefore I see no reason to bash one country which is just following the 'old rules' of the contest :roll:

all the votes are suspicious, not only those received by Azerbaidjian ( at least Azerbaidjian had a good song and a beautiful performance)
ESC strengthen friendly and bilateral relations between delegations

 

[LalehForWD]

I'm truly amazed by the amount of passion put into this subject.

 

[Galandar]

Another thing that bothers me is that no matter what source you have '' you can't trust it because its fake! ''

Sources and proofs themselves should be clean otherwise they are not very transparent and leave many questions behind. It is not a secret that Azerbaijan is vulnarable in this regard and it is really easy to spoil its reputation even more by making a fixed or fabricated video like the one published in Lithuania.

 

[Hegepege]

So much smoke, but no fire? That's hard to believe. The least EBU should do, is gather a commitee to investigate all the accusations the last few years, and then take action. The fact that they are so unwilling to get to the bottom of this, doesn't make them (EBU) more trustworthy in my eyes for sure, and I wouldn't be sad to see Jon Ola Sand leave his position, he's not doing a great job, that's pretty obvious.

 

[Farahim]

@ GermanBango

But Azerbaijan - Malta thing is really fishy, can't deny that!

And Hungary, why one year jury don't stop Hungary giving 12 to Azerbaijan?? :/

just like Rom and moldovia, greece and cyprus, or Scandinavian or ex ussr, or west bloc....... Can we deny those too? or why we skip this? or why asking same question over and over? I mean i am fine and i don't really care who gives points to who. Also i don't like to discuss it..but bring the same SUGAR every single minute is not fair at all. I am not ignoring whole situation. There is something wrong but not only Azerbaijan also for different countries as well. As long as we don't proof, we cannot blame none of them.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I think the evidence is real

 

[Celia]

just like Rom and moldovia, greece and cyprus, or Scandinavian or ex ussr, or west bloc....... Can we deny those too? or why we skip this? or why asking same question over and over? I mean i am fine and i don't really care who gives points to who. Also i don't like to discuss it..but bring the same SUGAR every single minute is not fair at all. I am not ignoring whole situation. There is something wrong but not only Azerbaijan also for different countries as well. As long as we don't proof, we cannot blame none of them.

Does such a thing exist?

The whole thing it's pretty sad actually. Lots of rumours and more than sixty pages on this matter

 

[janbanan]

It's pretty obvious that the azeris are much more likely to bribe their way through than the nordics. Also, the lame excuses that Farid have been touring in Malta should not affect the juries now should it. Azerbaijan winning again soon will be the death of the ESC.

 

[cegs5]

cegs5, is only Azerbaijan does so? Of course not, even before Azerbaijan joined ESC we had the same. And now we can't treat only Azerbaijan that they did big promotion on Malta. Or we treat all countries, or no one. Last year Finland was the only one country where Loreen had promotion before ESC (performance) - it's Finland. You think Finland voted for her just because of flag or this promotion?

I refuse lobbies wherever they come from, either from Azerbaijan or Finland or Sweden or wherever.
As I said before, there's nothing wrong to make big promotions abroad, But if a promotion is followed by negotiations or alliances between delegations, then that should be banned.
About the example and question about Finland's last year 12 pointer. Well, I think It's out of disussion and It can't be compared with the case Azerbajan - Malta, first at all because Finland has not given 12 points to Sweden four years in a row, also because It's said that the weird thing in Azerbaijan's case is that there are not culture or history ties between those countries. On the other hand, yes there are Finnish people who votes for Sweden just because the flag, because 5% of our population has Swedish roots and It's not a secret that they conform a very close group of people. Most of the Finns are ashamed that Finland gives some points (not 12 but 4 or 6 ...) just because of that.
Again, as I said before, that video posted in Lithuania doesn't prove anything, however It doesn't make any less weird the Azerbaijan - Malta case. I just answered what Galandar gave as arguments which in my opinion are not ethically correct.

 

[drhierbas]

The swedes have very tight connections to Norway, Finland och Denmark. Hell, two of those contries were a part of Sweden and Skåne was a part of Denmark once. Swedes hate to loose against Finland in hockey, Denmark in football and Norway in skisports. It's like losing to your little brother, not fun but everyone knows who's on top

The scandinavian cultures are almost identical and also the music tastes most of the time. The same could be said about Estonia and Latvia. The connection between Malta and azerbaijan and all the 12 pointers from Malta is a big disgrace. They're not even trying to hide it.

 

[PashonFrut]

It's pretty obvious that the azeris are much more likely to bribe their way through than the nordics. Also, the lame excuses that Farid have been touring in Malta should not affect the juries now should it. Azerbaijan winning again soon will be the death of the ESC.

proof or I call it bogus