Cheating in Eurovision voting

[Galandar]

Excuse me? WTF? Poland received 4 points in total from Azerbaijan over 4 years...

Sorry, man, but like it was noted in the first post, 12 points from Malta to Azerbaijan EVERY SINGLE YEAR since 2008 while the countries are not connected culturally, historically or by diaspora, and the fact that many countries go to Malta for promotion, is indeed very strange and should be investigated.

Sorry I mixed it with Malta

Yeah, I know some other artists also visit Malta but our PR in Malta is quite heavy one starting from appearance on TV programs and shows ending with playing our songs in major radios. Plus as I noted before our delegations have very good relations so no wonder they support each other

 

[Galandar]

The tours are totally clean and understandable, but the "good relations between delegations" as a reason to vote for each other is called "lobby" in my town, which is not really positive.

By the way, this case was released in Finnish news today.

As far as I know lobbying is not forbidden by EBU and I don't see anything wrong in having good and friendly relations with delegations from other countries. Malta also benefited from it. For instance, last year our delegation as well as the Turkish one were promoting Kurt Caleja all the time :roll:

 

[Mrm]

So what happened with the Montenegrin points?

The country apparently gave Ukraine 12pts (both tele & jury) in its semi, but 0pts in the final (but 12 to Denmark & 10 to Azerbaijan - both the entries that ended up before Ukraine)...

This also strange as hell to me...but not unique example there are few of them already! :/

ESC looses credibility, I told that a long time ago..

 

[A-lister]

So I repeat, is Montenegro on the list of tiny countries where votes have been manipulated?

Ukraine won Montenegro's 12pts in the semi, but ended up with 0pts in the final (while the top. 2 and got 12 respectively 10 from in the final).

HMM!

 

[Galandar]

So what happened with the Montenegrin points?

The country apparently gave Ukraine 12pts (both tele & jury) in its semi, but 0pts in the final (but 12 to Denmark & 10 to Azerbaijan - both the entries that ended up before Ukraine)...

The jury of Montenegro awarded Ukraine with 12 points in the final too so they also want to know the final televoting results.

 

[A-lister]

This also strange as hell to me...but not unique example there are few of them already! :/

ESC looses credibility, I told that a long time ago..

Yeah... I think the random draw must be brought back & split jury/televote vote for each country to be released ...

But yeah the whole lack of transparency is worrying and the buying of votes in some small countries and probably bribed juries in some.

 

[A-lister]

The jury of Montenegro awarded Ukraine with 12 points in the final too so they want to know the final televoting results.

Well, that's fishy how it can go from 12pts overall (jury+televote) in semi and then 0pts in the final... it's obviously some sort of fabrication or voting rigging...

 

[GWTW1939]

The EBU or apologists will simply tell you there were more countries (many different) in the final than the semi and they liked those better at the moment. You can't say Zlata did worse vocally in the final so they believe people's taste in what they liked simply changed from the semi on Tuesday to Saturday. Nothing strange about that.

 

[Galandar]

Yeah... I think the random draw must be brought back & split jury/televote vote for each country to be released ...

But yeah the whole lack of transparency is worrying and the buying of votes in some small countries and probably bribed juries in some.

Don't be mean, especially when all your hints are dedicated to the known country! You can't speak about things so sure when there is no proof, especially bribing juries is not as easy as it sounds. Aren't jury change year after year or the same persons remain jury? And even if let's say jury sell themselves so easily that is a problem of TV channels to find it out, reveal and stop it.

 

[angry]

Eurovision organisers respond to media reports on voting
The combination of televotes and jury votes, each bearing a 50% influence on the outcome, did not result in a top 10 position for Russia in the overall result from Azerbaijan. Therefore, Azerbaijan awarded Russia no points – a result confirmed by a notary onsite, by our voting partner Digame and by an independent observer from PwC.

That means Ebu says it is not true that Azerbaijan gave (much) points to Russia?

 

[A-lister]

The EBU or apologists will simply tell you there were more countries (many different) in the final than the semi and they liked those better at the moment. You can't say Zlata did worse vocally in the final so they believe people's taste in what they liked simply changed from the semi on Tuesday to Saturday. Nothing strange about that.

I know right? Half of this forum seem to making up excuses after excuses when it's obvious blatant fraud going on in the contest

 

[GWTW1939]

Of course there is fraud. If I love or like a song and get the chance to vote for it I'm going to vote for it EVERY chance I get, in the semi if possible and definitely in the final. Why would I suddenly after voting for it in the semi drop it like a hot potato? Unless they were a mess in the final but you really think most people care about that when they love/like a song? Most people would most certainly make sure they throw a vote or two in that direction even if they vote for others two because of limits. I honestly think its IMPOSSIBLE to go from 12 in the semi to 0, maybe a few points lower but definitely not 0.

 

[cegs5]

As far as I know lobbying is not forbidden by EBU and I don't see anything wrong in having good and friendly relations with delegations from other countries. Malta also benefited from it. For instance, last year our delegation as well as the Turkish one were promoting Kurt Caleja all the time :roll:

It's not ethically correct. Jurors should vote for a song not for a flag. So, lobbies with friendly delegarions shouldn't happen.

 

[Galandar]

It's not ethically correct. Jurors should vote for a song not for a flag. So, lobbies with friendly delegarions shouldn't happen.

It can be seen as incorrect yet it is not something forbidden by EBU. Once more, I don't see anything wrong in our delegation having very friendly relations with each other. I remember Eldar and Husniyye were even invited to be jury members at Maltese NF which is actually a honor for us.

 

[cegs5]

It can be seen as incorrect yet it is not something forbidden by EBU. Once more, I don't see anything wrong in our delegation having very friendly relations with each other. I remember Eldar and Husniyye were even invited to be jury members at Maltese NF which is actually a honor for us.

Yes, that's the main problem, It's maybe not illegal or against the rules (I'm not sure about it but let's say so) but It's not ethically correct.
I don't see any problem to have friendly relations with another delegations, the problem is to vote for them just because they are friends not because they deserve it.

 

[Galandar]

Yes, that's the main problem, It's maybe not illegal or against the rules (I'm not sure about it but let's say so) but It's not ethically correct.
I don't see any problem to have friendly relations with another delegations, the problem is to vote for them just because they are friends not because they deserve it.

This kind of votes happened before we joined the contest, they happen nowadays too. Therefore I see no reason to bash one country which is just following the 'old rules' of the contest :roll:

 

[Trece]

Yes, that's the main problem, It's maybe not illegal or against the rules (I'm not sure about it but let's say so) but It's not ethically correct.
I don't see any problem to have friendly relations with another delegations, the problem is to vote for them just because they are friends not because they deserve it.

cegs5, is only Azerbaijan does so? Of course not, even before Azerbaijan joined ESC we had the same. And now we can't treat only Azerbaijan that they did big promotion on Malta. Or we treat all countries, or no one. Last year Finland was the only one country where Loreen had promotion before ESC (performance) - it's Finland. You think Finland voted for her just because of flag or this promotion?

 

[CypriotGirl]

So what happened with the Montenegrin points?

The country apparently gave Ukraine 12pts (both tele & jury) in its semi, but 0pts in the final (but 12 to Denmark & 10 to Azerbaijan - both the entries that ended up before Ukraine)...

Maybe Ukrainian president didn't want his country to win and he bribed the juries in some countries to rank it low? 1

Anyway, conspiracy theories don't make sense to me in this case because they gave 12 to Denmark and 10 to Azerbaijan. If one of them cheated in any way, wouldn't they boycott the points of Denmark or Azerbaijan as well, since they were both contenders? It would be fishy if they gave 12 to Denmark and 0 to Azerbaijan, or 12 to Azerbaijan and 0 to Denmark. But like this, I don't know what to think.

 

[A-lister]

Maybe Ukrainian president didn't want his country to win and he bribed the juries in some countries to rank it low? 1

Anyway, conspiracy theories don't make sense to me in this case because they gave 12 to Denmark and 10 to Azerbaijan. If one of them cheated in any way, wouldn't they boycott the points of Denmark or Azerbaijan as well, since they were both contenders? It would be fishy if they gave 12 to Denmark and 0 to Azerbaijan, or 12 to Azerbaijan and 0 to Denmark. But like this, I don't know what to think.

Don't you think it's weird that they gave 12 to Ukraine in the semi and 0 in the final, but gave the two highest points to the ones that turned out to be Ukraine's biggest rivals?? (I'm not saying it was weird that and got high points from them, but that suddenly got none).

How can a country just switch from liking an entry one day, to totally disliking it the other? Apparently even the jury from Montenegro revealed that Ukraine was still their fav in the final, so the people just stopped liking it all out of sudden?

Oh, Ukraine have economical problems, but the president is willing to host ESC to make a point against his former rival

 

[CypriotGirl]

Don't you think it's weird that they gave 12 to Ukraine in the semi and 0 in the final, but gave the two highest points to the ones that turned out to be Ukraine's biggest rivals?? (I'm not saying it was weird that and got high points from them, but that suddenly got none).

How can a country just switch from liking an entry one day, to totally disliking it the other? Apparently even the jury from Montenegro revealed that Ukraine was still their fav in the final, so the people just stopped liking it all out of sudden?

Oh, Ukraine have economical problems, but the president is willing to host ESC to make a point against his former rival

I know, it's just odd but it might have some logic. There were only 16 entries in the semi, while there were 26 in the final. If jury placed it in the highest place in the semi and televoting placed it somewhere 5-10, then with combined votes it got their 12. In the final, though, maybe televoting placed it much lower, and with combined votes it got 0. Very strange, but without knowing how exactly the jury and the public voted, we can't be sure for anything.