Cheating in Eurovision voting

[Galandar]

It's funny that their president asked for vote recount. They upset Mother Russia.
I bet mine was drinking a beer, not watching Eurovision.

This fact does not make me happy either. Here is what I wrote about it yesterday:

Russians pay a lot of attention to ESC and could easily take this as political protest against them. In fact their media started to speak and questioning this fact right after the contest was over. Since Russians are kind of unpredictable, I guess this was the reason our president had to warn the ambassador and ask him to calm down the Russian side otherwise the issue could have grown bigger. On the other hand, jury members and random people in Azerbaijan were also unhappy with the situation with voting so the fact that Ictimai TV published a press-release and started investigation of this case made them feel a bit relaxed.

Once more I am not that happy with what happened and I especially saw no reason for our ambassador to name that he got a call from the president even if he did so. Nevertheless, we have to admit that things need to be clarified if we really awarded Russia with some high points but which were simply nillified in the final scoreboard of Azeri results.<!-- google_ad_section_end --><!-- google_ad_section_end -->

 

[Trece]

The Spanish people complain that because of the Romanian Diaspora they always have to give 12 points to .

Stupid complains actually, last year Spain gave 12 to Sweden even if Romanian song was really great and one of the best. But Sweden was the best and logical 12

 

[Jeansy]

Published on 22 May 2013 by Eurovicious.

Eurovision 2013: Corruption allegations must be responded to now through full transparency.

Given the current unprecedented level of media scrutiny regarding potential corruption in the Eurovision Song Contest voting, the EBU must immediately release the full split results for each country. Not a month after the contest as usual, by which time said results can theoretically be fiddled so as to be mathematically plausible. Now. The situation demands it.


Eurovision 2013: Corruption allegations must be responded to now through full transparency.

That is quite a read and raises a lot of questions

 

[Galandar]

I refuse lobbies wherever they come from, either from Azerbaijan or Finland or Sweden or wherever.
As I said before, there's nothing wrong to make big promotions abroad, But if a promotion is followed by negotiations or alliances between delegations, then that should be banned.
About the example and question about Finland's last year 12 pointer. Well, I think It's out of disussion and It can't be compared with the case Azerbajan - Malta, first at all because Finland has not given 12 points to Sweden four years in a row, also because It's said that the weird thing in Azerbaijan's case is that there are not culture or history ties between those countries. On the other hand, yes there are Finnish people who votes for Sweden just because the flag, because 5% of our population has Swedish roots and It's not a secret that they conform a very close group of people. Most of the Finns are ashamed that Finland gives some points (not 12 but 4 or 6 ...) just because of that.
Again, as I said before, that video posted in Lithuania doesn't prove anything, however It doesn't make any less weird the Azerbaijan - Malta case. I just answered what Galandar gave as arguments which in my opinion are not ethically correct.

True is that Malta is located far away from Azerbaijan but its people and culture for somehow remind me of Azerbaijan. The way they look, the way they act etc. They even got some words from Arabic we also have in our language. In addition, Maltese fans were among the warmest towards Azerbaijan, what I especially felt in Düsseldorf 1

 

[FilipFromSweden]

This is not only about Azerbaijan. Unfortunately most of the ex-USSR share this bad soviet heritage. One two years are not enough in order to become anything close to Nordic countries yet I believe things get better year after year.

'' Not only about Azerbaijan '' it was about you and no one else because of the scandals that appeared during Eurovision in Baku.

 

[Galandar]

'' Not only about Azerbaijan '' it was about you and no one else because of the scandals that appeared during Eurovision in Baku.

Which scandals? Do you mean redevelopment of a part of the city which was initiated years before we won ESC or stereotypical panic among western media about organization of the next edition in Azerbaijan? :roll:

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Which scandals? Do you mean redevelopment of a part of the city which was initiated years before we won ESC or stereotypical panic among western media about organization of the next edition in Azerbaijan? :roll:

How about the incarceration of journalists in Baku? How about the scandals where they forced locals to move? (Even my teacher talked about this with our class and it was all in SVT and the newspaper, even in Wikipedia). Also the interview I read with a man that was gay in Azerbaijan, he went on a date with a guy and he was actually a police in disguise, he beat the crap out of the man. Also the whole thing with Ali Hasanov that wanted Loreen to be disqualified as she visited human rights organisations.

 

[Farahim]

Does such a thing exist?

The whole thing it's pretty sad actually. Lots of rumours and more than sixty pages on this matter

I don't know, but i am sure none of them Angel to play fair.

 

[Galandar]

How about the incarceration of journalists in Baku? How about the scandals where they forced locals to move? (Even my teacher talked about this with our class and it was all in SVT and the newspaper, even in Wikipedia). Also the interview I read with a man that was gay in Azerbaijan, he went on a date with a guy and he was actually a police in disguise, he beat the crap out of the man. Also the whole thing with Ali Hasanov that wanted Loreen to be disqualified as she visited human rights organisations.

Incanceration of journalists? Yes, there were arrested and released journalists in Azerbaijan in previous years, probably there are ones nowadays too. But let me remind you that we are by far not the worst about the number of arrested jounralists etc. among participants of ESC. When it comes to our media, I agree that TV is not that free but there are a lot of examples of our newspapers, magazines, online news agencies which are heavily bashing the government and its representatives. Btw the most readable newspaper in Azerbaijan belongs to opposition. Anyway you can not expect us or other post Soviet countries to be anything like Sweden or Norway only in some years, that is simply impossible!

Some locals were and still are forced to move because these houses don't meet any satisfactory conditions and the city is now under major redevelopment. It is not all about the area near Flaq Square but many parts of Baku. That is not about forcing people to be homeless, they get either new apartments in other parts of the city or money compensation of around 1500 AZN per sq m (1 AZN = 1 EUR). True, some people protest but then there is no other way to change things. The city needs to be redeveloped and get rid of slummish and wasted areas or Soviet commieblocks.

No idea about that gay story but let's agree that something like this may happen anywhere in the world, including Azerbaijan. In general, Azerbaijan, it is not such a gay friendly country like yours but nor it is a country where gays are beated or killed. There are a lot of gays who don't hide their orientation and nobody touches them. They have their own NGO, their online resources like Gay.Az, some bars and cafes where they gather together. Sure it is not like in Germany or Sweden but again for now you can not expect much from another ex-USSR country.

Ali Hasanov wanted to disqualify Sweden? Even I have not heard of it :? Man are you really Swedish?

 

[pyryniemi]

dunno where to post this, but there have been rumours about Russia not airing the Finnish performance during the finale (because of the lesbian kiss)???

 

[Farahim]

How about the incarceration of journalists in Baku? How about the scandals where they forced locals to move? (Even my teacher talked about this with our class and it was all in SVT and the newspaper, even in Wikipedia). Also the interview I read with a man that was gay in Azerbaijan, he went on a date with a guy and he was actually a police in disguise, he beat the crap out of the man. Also the whole thing with Ali Hasanov that wanted Loreen to be disqualified as she visited human rights organisations.

He is free and he is making more video against government than before. Well movement wasn't scandal but turned to scandal by some powers. Let me tell you even today there is some movements. Because the whole city is under construction and this effects to ppl. But some ppl want to play smart and to sell their appartment for more expensive price. And government doesn't wants to pay that. After 5 times warning, they moved for new apartment by police.

Well the gay parade will not gonna work. Because the whole nation against on it. Just check out what happened recently gay parade in Georgia.

The last on yes i agree with you, human rights needs to get more progress. Goverment sucks but not sucks as some ex ussr countries.

 

[DannyDS]

So there will be no more commieblocks in Baku soon?

 

[Galandar]

So there will be no more commieblocks in Baku soon?

Well, they either demolish or refurbish them but there are still a lot of them left

 

[cegs5]

This is not only about Azerbaijan. Unfortunately most of the ex-USSR share this bad soviet heritage. One two years are not enough in order to become anything close to Nordic countries yet I believe things get better year after year.

TBH there's corruption in Nordic countries as well, in a great scale...but nobody wants to talk about it because the good reputation it's the pride of the people. Very silly attitude.

 

[DannyDS]

Well, they either demolish or refurbish them but there are still a lot of them left

Oh ok! Because that's one of the main reasons why I want to go there

 

[Galandar]

Oh ok! Because that's one of the main reasons why I want to go there

 

[lucian-crusher]

Oh ok! Because that's one of the main reasons why I want to go there

You can come to Bucharest also! We have thousands of them here

 

[Quent91]

Isn't it beautiful ?

 

[A-lister]

dunno where to post this, but there have been rumours about Russia not airing the Finnish performance during the finale (because of the lesbian kiss)???

Apparently Russian TV didn't air the Swedish parody interval act either (partly because of the male-male kiss there aswell)

 

[Yamarus]

dunno where to post this, but there have been rumours about Russia not airing the Finnish performance during the finale (because of the lesbian kiss)???

If that's the case it's a grave violation of EBU rules warranting a one-year ban. I'm not sure it happened though, can any of our Russian members give us more information?