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Austria AUSTRIA 2014 - Conchita Wurst - Rise like a Phoenix

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A-lister

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I'm not sure why you put Lordi in there. Yes they had the costumes but they are a serious metal band that doesn't rely on gimmicks. The rest are joke acts, and yet none of them are as ridiculous and frankly offensive as Conchita.

As much as I agree on that Lordi is an established metal band, to say that they don't rely on gimmicks isn't really true now is it? Although being "serious" in their musical attempt, their whole image is one big gimmick.
 

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As much as I agree on that Lordi is an established metal band, to say that they don't rely on gimmicks isn't really true now is it? Although being "serious" in their musical attempt, their whole image is one big gimmick.

True, but It's like saying Slipknot are a gimmick band. They have a gimmick, but their music is what stands them out. Conchita will always be the bearded drag act regardless of what he is singing.
 

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I don't mind him....the important thing is that Trackshittaz won in 2012 xparty
 

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after Conchita we can chosen other singer en travesti for other country
France Amanda Lear
Bulgaria Aziz
Spain Falete
U:K: Boy George
Israel Aderet
Other country?
 

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And Amanda Lear is a real woman, she is just androgyn...
The only famous "transvestite" in :fr: is Saint-Lucian born Vincent MacDoom. We like him in France. He has taken part in several reality TV but he shaves his beard every morning ! :lol:
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after Conchita we can chosen other singer en travesti for other country
France Amanda Lear
Bulgaria Aziz
Spain Falete
U:K: Boy George
Israel Aderet
Other country?
well Macedonia is out of this "trend" They picked Tijana over Boki 13 :lol:
 

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Someone mentioned it to me, and I've been wondering since: 'Why does he have a beard?' I mean, he dresses like a woman, but he doesn't shave off his beard. It's just weird and ugly. I don't get this kind of fashion statement.
 

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Someone mentioned it to me, and I've been wondering since: 'Why does he have a beard?' I mean, he dresses like a woman, but he doesn't shave off his beard. It's just weird and ugly. I don't get this kind of fashion statement.

that's thing I really don't like about it, it's only half shaved off. Like look at a picture of her beard, it's drawn on. That's what makes me feel a bit off about her style, because she's well able to grow one like.
 

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Well this is one my crystal ball never saw coming. I don't know what to think really. I wonder if this is a "this is what we think of your contest" protest choice?

I think Conchita could be interesting. However the problem as others have pointed out is that she seems to just sing generic ballads. I imagine something fun, upbeat and quirky would work. Her last attempt didn't do anything for me and I usually love singing drag acts like After Dark for instance. I'm intrigued in regards as to whats to come. At least she'll be carrying on the kitsch.


Soap&Skin was never going to happen:(
 

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I'm trans myself, so if there was any transphobia, I'd be on it. But, Conchita is basically a glorified drag act, and does not identify as female as far as I am aware. The act is being presented as a shock act, so no one can complain if people respond to that in a negative way.

Thats how i'm sort of feeling about Conchita as well. I enjoy many drag acts but Conchita seems to want to set out and shock.. at least going by the look she chooses. It's all very confusing. When I first saw her a couple of years back I actually thought she was a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a womanxwhat

She's kind of asking for attention and probably wants it too. Glamour and beards don't really go together. It's a shame her music isn't as bizarre and out there as her look.. but we'll wait and see.
 

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Thats how i'm sort of feeling about Conchita as well. I enjoy many drag acts but Conchita seems to want to set out and shock.. at least going by the look she chooses. It's all very confusing. When I first saw her a couple of years back I actually thought she was a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a womanxwhat

She's kind of asking for attention and probably wants it too. Glamour and beards don't really go together. It's a shame her music isn't as bizarre and out there as her look.. but we'll wait and see.

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If she'd lose the beard, her chances would definitely grow in the contest I think.
 

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I have read the article and I must say that the editor is overreacting. He is looking very one-sided at the comments. I know that sexuality and gender are very sensitive topics people are easily offended by, yet I do not see why the six commenters are 'bad humans' themselves. The editor also misinterprets them.

The first comment is an excellent example. The editor claims that she called Conchitta a freakshow, but she didn't. She says Eurovision is becoming a freakshow. I wonder, is a man that dresses like a woman without shaving his beard off to be called normal? I definitely wouldn't say so. I don't mean it offensively, I just want to make clear that this act isn't what people call normal. I also want to make clear that a circus isn't animal-only, think of acrobats and clowns. I understand why people start calling Eurovision a freakshow with this kind of acts. It isn't what you see normally, therefore, it is different. Freak = different.

I also understand Manel's comment, yet I wouldn't use the word 'gay'. The editor is claiming again something that the commenter doesn't say AT ALL. The commenter says that he wants eurovision to think of the non-gay fans, while he understands why everything is so 'gay'. The editor radically changes it in "Everyone must be straight!" This is purely exaggeration from his side.

I think I have made my point clear. I understand the opinions from both the editor and the commenters. Only the editor morphs the commenters opinion into something he can counter with the 'You don't like gays so you're a bad person'-attitude. He is exactly what he claims the others to be. He is only focusing on his opinion and isn't trying to understand the opinion of the commenters. I don't want to hurt his feelings, he just needs to understand that he isn't fair towards them.

I, myself, am pro-gay etc., yet I do understand the opinions of anti-gay people and accept them. Everyone is allowed to have his own theories.
 

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I read it as well and i have to agree it is very one sided, and exaggerates the point a lot.
 

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To Evangeline and AshleyWright:

Evangeline:

I am most definitely not overreacting. If these commenters had said the same thing of a Black performer, or a woman, my reaction would have been fine. But an artist who crosses gender lines for their performance isn't allowed to be defended?

For the first comment, of course a woman with a beard isn't something usual. Is it ok to say it's not normal? That's one thing the LGBT community wants: to not be viewed as others, and to be just seen as regular human beings. Granted, the commenter did not call Conchita herself a freak, but it was heavily implied in her comment. "Freak = different" doesn't cut it for me here. Nobody wants to be called a freak just because they're different.

As for Manel's comment, when he says please think of the non-gay fans, he heavily implies that straight-presenting is the only way for Eurovision to accomplish this. What do you think was this commenter's mindset when he made that comment? Conchita is only one out of likely over 30 contestants next year, and yet that one bit of representation is too much for Manel to handle.

If all you saw in this opinion piece (which, by the way, would of course be opinionated) was that the poor straight people's feelings were hurt because I didn't take the time to understand their plight, instead of the research and evidence I showed to prove these commenters wrong, shame on you. Of course they can be good people otherwise even if they don't like gay people. But that doesn't mean they should make comments like this to openly display their bigotry.

There is a hard line between tolerance and bigotry, and these six commenters crossed the line. There is no space in today's world to accommodate such views. You may think it's different, or that it violates your religion, but who cares? Like I said, it's the individual's life being affected, not theirs. I will not yield on this matter.
 

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I think it needs to be kept in mind here, that Conchita isn't a woman with a beard. He's a man (who doesn't identify as a woman), who thinks he'll get more attention if he wears a dress and grows a beard.
 
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