Ukraine UKRAINE 2018 - Mélovin - Under the Ladder

[AlekS]

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Anastasiya Kamenskih got the whole package out of these, I wouldn't mind her in ESC (depending on the entry of course). I'm not so sure about the statement that her single can be considered a "flop" though? I think it's a bit too early to tell, considering it just got recently released, already has almost 6mm views on YT (after just a month)...

Her music video - 64700 likes vs. 10600 dislikes.
Her X Factor live performance - 5800 likes vs. 2100 dislikes :?

roughly 6:1, 3:1.
Almost 6 million for performer who's popular in the ex-USSR for a decade considering her 1st-solo-single hype is ... okay. A kid from the Voice Kids gained even more.

Their last music video as Potap i Nastya - 120000 likes vs. 9000 dislikes.... 13:1
1 year old video - 250000 vs. 15000 ... 16.5:1


ps. Imho the song/performance is a huge pile of dross which is saved by her name & the first solo single "produced by Badoev" hype.

 

[AlekS]

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Danilko has just been officially confirmed as the 2nd juror.

 

[usaorest]

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Danilko has just been officially confirmed as the 2nd juror.

not a very "fresh" panel as they promised a few months ago. really hoping for an interesting 3rd juror.

 

[A-lister]

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Her music video - 64700 likes vs. 10600 dislikes.
Her X Factor live performance - 5800 likes vs. 2100 dislikes :?

roughly 6:1, 3:1.
Almost 6 million for performer who's popular in the ex-USSR for a decade considering her 1st-solo-single hype is ... okay. A kid from the Voice Kids gained even more.

Their last music video as Potap i Nastya - 120000 likes vs. 9000 dislikes.... 13:1
1 year old video - 250000 vs. 15000 ... 16.5:1


ps. Imho the song/performance is a huge pile of dross which is saved by her name & the first solo single "produced by Badoev" hype.

Not sure if measuring likes vs dislikes is a measure for "success"... check the amount of "dislikes" Justin Bieber got throughout his career

I think 6mm for a video that was out in just a month, and that has yet to be properly promoted to the Russian market yet, is pretty good. However, the video is clearly better than the song hence why I'd prefer another entry for ESC if she considers entering the selection.

[MENTION=7336]WhoKnows[/MENTION] I bet choosing Russian as language is a hint that she'll go into that market just like was the case with Potap & Nastya and other Ukrainian acts that are currently big in Russia, but struggle to get those really big radio hits in Ukraine these days partly due to choosing Russian over Ukrainian, such as Vremya & Steklo (also connected to Potap and Mozgi just like Nastya herself) aswell as Loboda, Maks Barskih and Via Gra that are more and more exclusively Russian market focused these days.

 

[AlekS]

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Not sure if measuring likes vs dislikes is a measure for "success"... check the amount of "dislikes" Justin Bieber got throughout his career

I think 6mm for a video that was out in just a month, and that has yet to be properly promoted to the Russian market yet, is pretty good. However, the video is clearly better than the song hence why I'd prefer another entry for ESC if she considers entering the selection.

Definitely not worse than amount of views If a song is poorly promoted it doesn't mean that it won't win the NF and it won't be liked by hundred thousands in the end. Number of views means nothing to me. Though likes/dislikes thing is more accurate imo.

As for Bieber:

She's already been promoted at the Russian market. Her performance on Russian TV in the famous Ukrophobe's TV show will be another reason to vote against her.
I like the video too. But I hope that she doesn't apply in the end. + I'm wondering how Danilko is going to judge his colleague who sits with him in the X Factor jury :?

 

[WhoKnows]

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[MENTION=7336]WhoKnows[/MENTION] I bet choosing Russian as language is a hint that she'll go into that market just like was the case with Potap & Nastya and other Ukrainian acts that are currently big in Russia, but struggle to get those really big radio hits in Ukraine these days partly due to choosing Russian over Ukrainian, such as Vremya & Steklo (also connected to Potap and Mozgi just like Nastya herself) aswell as Loboda, Maks Barskih and Via Gra that are more and more exclusively Russian market focused these days.

I also think that the days where you could straddle the line between the Russian and the Ukrainian market are winding down. It seems like artists are having to make a choice which market they want to prioritize, while realizing that the other might be closed off to them. Ani Lorak is practically a persona non grata in Ukraine these days. Loboda's concerts in Ukraine have been disrupted. I think Potap & Nastya were having some similar issues. Ivan Dorn became a public enemy after his interview with a Russian reporter earlier this year. Not sure about Barskih. Alekseev seems to be almost exclusively performing in Russia. Etc.

Of course I'm far removed from it all so maybe my impression is all wrong.

 

[A-lister]

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I also think that the days where you could straddle the line between the Russian and the Ukrainian market are winding down. It seems like artists are having to make a choice which market they want to prioritize, while realizing that the other might be closed off to them. Ani Lorak is practically a persona non grata in Ukraine these days. Loboda's concerts in Ukraine have been disrupted. I think Potap & Nastya were having some similar issues. Ivan Dorn became a public enemy after his interview with a Russian reporter earlier this year. Not sure about Barskih. Alekseev seems to be almost exclusively performing in Russia. Etc.

Of course I'm far removed from it all so maybe my impression is all wrong.

It's basically a choice between ethics (staying in Ukraine) or purely financial choice (Russian market), however choosing the Russian market for financial reasons (yes you get booked to more shows, exposed to more people etc.) could be a false hope because just like in Ukraine, music is not selling well, so it all comes down to concerts and actually Ukrainian acts that stayed true to Ukraine like Okean Elzy are far more successful than many of these acts that jumped to Russia, this band is one of the few acts that actually sells records, but they also sell out concert shows and are having quite successful concerts abroad aswell (taking into consideration they are not established on Western markets) in markets like Poland, Germany, Baltics and even UK, Canada and USA to name some. Sure they aim mostly at Ukrainian diaspora, but could Loboda or Ani Lorak ever do that? Not really, so they are instead stuck singing playback on random Russian TV shows and award shows certainly earning less in total. We have more acts following in the footsteps of Okean Elzy like Onuka and Hardkiss that understand that mother Russia is not necessarily going to bring you more success, and certainly not more respect. Also "poppier" (and ESC-related) acts like Tina Karol and Zlata Ognevich are bigger than ever, and this with focusing solely on Ukraine and not being cheap sell-outs. It will be interesting to see what will happen with these "newer" Pop acts now focused on Ukraine aswell like Tayanna, Ivan Navi, Mariya Yaremchuk amongst others... will they take the Ani Lorak/Loboda/Barskih route or will they try to become big names in Ukraine like Tina Karol and Zlata?

 

[A-lister]

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Definitely not worse than amount of views If a song is poorly promoted it doesn't mean that it won't win the NF and it won't be liked by hundred thousands in the end. Number of views means nothing to me. Though likes/dislikes thing is more accurate imo.

As for Bieber:

Again, don't see amounts of likes/dislikes as a good measurement for "flop" or "success". If your video has been viewed 6mm (even with many dislikes), you're certainly less of a "flop" (in commercial sense) than an act which has 10k views (with mostly likes).

Bieber may be shit, but he's hardly a flop act.

There are many of successful songs and acts out there I personally dislike, but would be delusional to call them "flops" just because they are not my own taste. I hate "Despacito" with a passion for instance and find it one of the worst "big hits" of the last decade, but certainly it's not a flop....

Anyways, let's come back in some months when the song actually had some "time" on it to see if it turned a flop or not...

Still though, regardless of her first solo single, I think as an act she'd be a good pick for ESC because she clearly has a good team behind her, is talented and has enough charisma and star quality to make a good performance in ESC... it all comes down to the entry.

 

[usaorest]

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It's basically a choice between ethics (staying in Ukraine) or purely financial choice (Russian market), however choosing the Russian market for financial reasons (yes you get booked to more shows, exposed to more people etc.) could be a false hope because just like in Ukraine, music is not selling well, so it all comes down to concerts and actually Ukrainian acts that stayed true to Ukraine like Okean Elzy are far more successful than many of these acts that jumped to Russia, this band is one of the few acts that actually sells records, but they also sell out concert shows and are having quite successful concerts (taking into consideration they are not established on Western markets) in markets ike Poland, Germany, Baltics and even UK, Canada and USA to name some. Sure they aim mostly at Ukrainian diaspora, but could Loboda or Ani Lorak ever do that? Not really, so they are instead stuck singing playback on random Russian TV shows and award shows certainly earning less in total. We have more acts following in the footsteps of Okean Elzy like Onuka and Hardkiss that understand that mother Russia is not necessarily going to bring you more success, and certainly not more respect. Also "poppier" (and ESC-related) acts like Tina Karol and Zlata Ognevich are bigger than ever, and this with focusing solely on Ukraine and not being cheap sell-outs. It will be interesting to see what will happen with these "newer" Pop acts now focused on Ukraine aswell like Tayanna, Ivan Navi, Mariya Yaremchuk amongst others... will they take the Ani Lorak/Loboda/Barskih route or will they try to become big names in Ukraine like Tina Karol and Zlata?

love this analysis and really agree with the points made. some Ukrainian artists are finally realizing that western markets are open to them and really expanding in europe, usa, and other markets that accept their styles through diaspora and growing interest in ukrainian alternative acts. Examples of such artists: DakhaBrakha constantly touring in Europe, Tina Karol going on a huge tour and expanding to the USA for winter program, Boombox and The Erised touring North America together, Panivalkova and ONUKA have also done many concerts in W Europe. really exciting to see the expanding market for Ukrainian content and let's see how it progresses

 

[AlekS]

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Again, don't see amounts of likes/dislikes as a good measurement for "flop" or "success". If your video has been viewed 6mm (even with many dislikes), you're certainly less of a "flop" (in commercial sense) than an act which has 10k views (with mostly likes).

Bieber may be shit, but he's hardly a flop act.

There are many of successful songs and acts out there I personally dislike, but would be delusional to call them "flops" just because they are not my own taste. I hate "Despacito" with a passion for instance and find it one of the worst "big hits" of the last decade, but certainly it's not a flop....

Anyways, let's come back in some months when the song actually had some "time" on it to see if it turned a flop or not...

Not at all. It just means that the entry had a better promo and more hype. When a less promoted entry gets into the same conditions at the NF they can pawn the most promoted previously commercial crap If Bieber competed in our 2016 NF he wouldn't have made it into the top 3, imo Fanwank votes usually don't work here. Max Barskih, talent shows participants/winners ... our NF eliminated a lot of them The jury also helps a lot recently.

Speaking of the jury - Jamala sits beside Potap in the Voice so she can favor NK. Danilko can also favor NK (if nobody from his record label qualifies) because they're both in the X Factor jury. Still the jury can be very unpredictable.

 

[AlekS]

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STB bought ESC sub-license broadcasting rights from UABC.

For the 1st time in our ESC history Eurovision will be broadcast by 2 channels in May. UABC and STB.

ps. According to the recent TV ratings STB became #1 channel last week.

 

[usaorest]

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STB bought ESC sub-license broadcasting rights from UABC.

For the 1st time in our ESC history Eurovision will be broadcast by 2 channels in May. UABC and STB.

maybe this is UABC bribing stb to make a better national final haha.

 

[usaorest]

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TAYANNA (who just won Breakthrough of the Year at the M! Music Awards) will come back to Vidbir 2018! She will chose 4 songs from her latest album and will have a vote to choose the song she sends. Stay tuned....

 

[usaorest]

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TAYANNA (who just won Breakthrough of the Year at the M! Music Awards) will come back to Vidbir 2018! She will chose 4 songs from her latest album and will have a vote to choose the song she sends. Stay tuned....

here is the album she will choose her song from:

 

[Fierro]

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Also you can listen to each song of TAYANNA's album by this link: http://radio.obozrevatel.com/playlists-music/tayanna-2017-trimay-mene-1020.html

 

[WhoKnows]

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Yeah, if she didn't win last year with I Love You, I just cannot see her winning the NF this year with any of the new songs. Shame, because she probably won't try again either.

 

[AlekS]

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She was in a London studio 3 weeks ago so I guess she will (if not already) record the English version of the album/song. Or bilingual.

 

[Yoozek]

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I think there's nothing as good as "I love you" on her new album. Kinda a pity, since I changed my mind about her recently and I really started enjoying that song.

 

[AlekS]

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Eugene Filatov is the 3rd juror!

He's ONUKA's husband/producer, "1944" sound producer, he produced a lot of albums for many performers, he's more into electronica/synthpop.

 

[WhoKnows]

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^ Go me!

I would like someone like The Maneken for the third judge.

lol