Running order for 2013

[Franco]

the televotion start when the show start, or when all the song have finish to perform?

At the end (if they don't change that, too).

 

[A-lister]

At the end (if they don't change that, too).

Well, I hope they don't change that because there's a point in letting all songs be performed before voting, otherwise diaspora voting will just have an even bigger impact.

However, that's the least problem right now. The whole 'producer's picks the order' needs to go like NOW, it hurts the legitimacy.

Like people have pointed out before, there are other ways to make a more mixed show by for instance putting songs into genre pots and then draw them from there... I mean also then the producers would have more to say as they would determine the genres, but atleast the rest would be up to chance and far more fair than this idea they want now.

 

[Terence]

I didn't read the whole topic but I can add my two cents to this topic by saying that I'm impartial to this decision. The fun of the draw (the randomness etc) has been sucked out but if it's all for separating the song styles, then I'd say go for it! The 2006 final comes to mind - the first few songs were utterly boring drawn next to each other (I still think Norway would've fared better had they been drawn later).

However I don't believe the draw will be transparent.

 

[A-lister]

I didn't read the whole topic but I can add my two cents to this topic by saying that I'm impartial to this decision. The fun of the draw (the randomness etc) has been sucked out but if it's all for separating the song styles, then I'd say go for it! The 2006 final comes to mind - the first few songs were utterly boring drawn next to each other (I still think Norway would've fared better had they been drawn later).

However I don't believe the draw will be transparent.

You can separate the genres without having the producers to decide the exact order.

 

[Terence]

Yeah that's why I doubted the transparency... I don't know... we have to know the criteria they're judging the draw on.

What if they let small/non-favourite countries perform late? Take the small countries like Malta, San Marino, Cyprus... this year Malta drew 21st and indeed finished 21st. What can I say, who ever decides the running order will be blamed for similar failures next year!!

 

[Mickey]

Yeah that's why I doubted the transparency... I don't know... we have to know the criteria they're judging the draw on.

What if they let small/non-favourite countries perform late? Take the small countries like Malta, San Marino, Cyprus... this year Malta drew 21st and indeed finished 21st. What can I say, who ever decides the running order will be blamed for similar failures next year!!

The criteria is irrelevent (if there even are any). However they decide to do it, it will be unfair to the country they put early.

 

[Matt]

Mr. Vitalie Cojocaru Head of Delegation at the Eurovision Song Contest for Moldova: ” I have mixed feelings about this new rule. I can understand the producer’s view on this, he will want to make the show more interesting and exciting. As a television show it can work out well. But it’s not good from the participant’s point of view. As a participating country or a participant (artist) I would not like to be told instantly that I have to sing in the first positions of the running order. Everyone is afraid to sing in the first positions and mostly everyone prefers singing in the last positions”.

 

[rajo]

What about this idea (from me )

Let's have voting breaks after each 8 songs!

Song 1-8: open lines for 5-10 min. voting

Song 9-16: open lines for 5-10 min. voting

Song 17-24/25: open lines for 5-10 min. voting & 5 minutes compiling the votes

tadah.... we have a fair vote for everyone

Each song in each segment is awarded points from 1-8 from televoters and juries, those points get combined. In case of a tie, the song with more actual televoters steps ahead. The best 10 songs get the final points!

 

[penguinperson]

Too complicated and would make the show to long.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Some of you talk about this as if it's an election and this proposal is serious electoral fraud... it's just Eurovision! Eurovision = fun, laughter, party and music! I totally accept that under the new rule, the running order could be influenced indirectly by those with the money (host nation, Big 5, Russia and those delegations willing to spend £££'s on Eurovision), but at the end of the day Eurovision is a TV show, and I want a good show. If this rule means the show will flow more easily and be more interesting (most likely) then I am fully in support of it!

 

[A-lister]

Some of you talk about this as if it's an election and this proposal is serious electoral fraud... it's just Eurovision! Eurovision = fun, laughter, party and music! I totally accept that under the new rule, the running order could be influenced indirectly by those with the money (host nation, Big 5, Russia and those delegations willing to spend £££'s on Eurovision), but at the end of the day Eurovision is a TV show, and I want a good show. If this rule means the show will flow more easily and be more interesting (most likely) then I am fully in support of it!

You can make it flow easier with dividing songs into genre pots and then make a draw, now you just open up for corruption and biasism.

ESC is more than a TV show, but I guess Brits will never get this. Maybe when you get it you'll start sending good entries

 

[Matt]

The head of the Delegation for San Marino is approving the change to the running order determination

“It’s a brave decision!. And it has surely been taken for the beauty and for the success of the show. Yet again, the Swedish Melodifestival stays as a model for the Eurovision Song Contest as Festival di San Remo did back in the ‘50s.The Host Broadcaster has now a great power.”

“It won’t decide the winner (because the best song will win whatever its position is), but it may affect the results of those singing in the central positions. If San Marino, for example, has the same type of song as Cyprus, upon which elements should the host broadcaster decide that we should sing after the break and Cyprus not, why Greece should sing 13th and Romania 17th or 21st? Last but not least: of course a great and well known artist would attract more interest than a ‘minor’ one and the organizers may want her/him to sing in the last positions to have a more thrilling show. Small countries are then disadvantaged because they do not normally have artists in the European charts. How can you defeat Blue, Humperdink, Kaas or Anouk in terms of fame if you’re not England, France or Holland? However, it’s a brave decision, go Christer go! “

 

[QwaarJet]

You can make it flow easier with dividing songs into genre pots and then make a draw, now you just open up for corruption and biasism.

ESC is more than a TV show, but I guess Brits will never get this. Maybe when you get it you'll start sending good entries

Please do not include me in the same category as him. I do NOT approve of his elitist attitude towards Eurovision. The Big 5 have a big enough advantage as it is without influencing the song order.

MHIY, Eurovision may mean "fun, laughter, party and music!" to you, but at the end of the day it is still a music competition, and it must be as free from corruption and influence as possible, lest it become even more a joke than it already is seen as being.

 

[Mickey]

You can make it flow easier with dividing songs into genre pots and then make a draw, now you just open up for corruption and biasism.

ESC is more than a TV show, but I guess Brits will never get this. Maybe when you get it you'll start sending good entries

Please do not include me in the same category as him. I do NOT approve of his elitist attitude towards Eurovision. The Big 5 have a big enough advantage as it is without influencing the song order.

MHIY, Eurovision may mean "fun, laughter, party and music!" to you, but at the end of the day it is still a music competition, and it must be as free from corruption and influence as possible, lest it become even more a joke than it already is seen as being.

Can I please also be added to the list of Brits who do not want to be lumped together with MHIY?

Cheers.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

QwaarJet, I thought you were a "Scot"

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

You can make it flow easier with dividing songs into genre pots and then make a draw, now you just open up for corruption and biasism.

ESC is more than a TV show, but I guess Brits will never get this. Maybe when you get it you'll start sending good entries

I dont think so, corruption wouldnt be allowed, and I have no doubt that it wont happen under a Swedish hosting, for sure. It's only the same as all our other TV shows - The X Factor, Strictly Come Dancing, and if I remember correctly, the Eurovision Dance Contest never had a draw either. Nothing corrupt happened in any of them, so no need to worry .

It's a tv show slash music contest, I dont know what's to get? Fans think it's more of course, but it's not really, is it? The Eurovision management's aim is to maximise viewers, and thus profit. They will achieve this however they want to, and if they feel this will be a step to increasing the viewership even further, then they have every right to pursue the idea! And at the end of the day, they're not going to lose viewers of unhappy fans, because they will watch Eurovision no matter what .

 

[rajo]

MHIY, Eurovision may mean "fun, laughter, party and music!" to you, but at the end of the day it is still a music competition, and it must be as free from corruption and influence as possible, lest it become even more a joke than it already is seen as being.

Yeah, just fun and laughter xlol

I remember well who was all fired up for Humperdinck and his mediocre song and cracked up in tears when he lost so badly..... our dearest fun-and-laughter-Heart

 

[rajo]

I dont think so, corruption wouldnt be allowed, and I have no doubt that it wont happen under a Swedish hosting, for sure. It's only the same as all our other TV shows - The X Factor, Strictly Come Dancing, and if I remember correctly, the Eurovision Dance Contest never had a draw either. Nothing corrupt happened in any of them, so no need to worry .

It's a tv show slash music contest, I dont know what's to get? Fans think it's more of course, but it's not really, is it? The Eurovision management's aim is to maximise viewers, and thus profit. They will achieve this however they want to, and if they feel this will be a step to increasing the viewership even further, then they have every right to pursue the idea! And at the end of the day, they're not going to lose viewers of unhappy fans, because they will watch Eurovision no matter what .

Bulshet upon bulshet. Yet another flip-flop from our flexible friend.

 

[GRE]

I want to ask something.
Ebu said that only the draw will be from the producers.
Will still some countries (2 in each semi and 1 BIG in final) have the opurtunity to choose when they will perform?

 

[Matt]

I want to ask something.
Ebu said that only the draw will be from the producers.
Will still some countries (2 in each semi and 1 BIG in final) have the opurtunity to choose when they will perform?

I don't think so. In the Semis (correct me if I'm wrong) the countries will still be allocated by random draw if they're going to be performing in the 1st or 2nd half of the show. This is neccessary for rehearsal scheduling purposes. But as far as I know, countries will no longer be able to choose their running order.