Running order for 2013

[Mickey]

If they're going to draw countries into halves of the draw in the semis, why not the final? That's at least a little fairer.

 

[DanielLuis]

If they're going to draw countries into halves of the draw in the semis, why not the final? That's at least a little fairer.

Because the reason the do that for ther semi-finals is that the delegations know when they'll have to be in the city in time for the rehearsals.In the semi-final the countries have their rehearsals in different days depending on the halve. For the final that doesnt apply has all the countries, no matter what the halve, have their rehearsals in the same day (there's only dress rehearsals after the semi-finals).
That's why they dont do it for the final. But I do agree that with this stupid new rule it would be a bit fairer.

 

[naticopes]

The supposed 'reason' is a cover up for corruption and bias, but I think you mixed it up here. They will just draw what countries will enter in what semi and not the actual running-order.

I still think if they want to have SOME credibility left with this change of rules, then they should atleast put the entries in 'genre-pots' and then randomly draw the running order from that, instead of totally non-transparent and undemocratic choose the running-order without any fairness what-so-ever.

Does any one know that all it will be fare ? At least until now it was completely random and we couldn't blame the system, but now, We will blame the organisers because they could bring the year's favs a good position or a very bad one ! Since it was happening like that in Random system it was "fair " now it will be extremely questionable !
And what if all the countries will chose nearly the same style ?
This rule should be changed ! After the Semi-finals when some persons know the sf results and who is leading etc. will be very simple for us to consider that the draw could be influenced by the prelim. results...

 

[naticopes]

+ For the semi-finals, all of you guys know that the lasts countries have qualified more times stastistically then the first starters ...

 

[LalehForWD]

The supposed 'reason' is a cover up for corruption and bias, but I think you mixed it up here. They will just draw what countries will enter in what semi and not the actual running-order.

I still think if they want to have SOME credibility left with this change of rules, then they should atleast put the entries in 'genre-pots' and then randomly draw the running order from that, instead of totally non-transparent and undemocratic choose the running-order without any fairness what-so-ever.

You seem to have been brought up in a delusion of mistrust to everybody. There are actually other grounds than greed and nepotism that can drive society, people and corporations. Your persistent claim of corruption in Sweden is nonsense (any statistics can show that) and is just subversive opportunism in your part. If you didn't considered yourself as Danish now, I would say your argumentation so far has been unpatriotic and anti-Swedish as best, but generally harmful for Swedish interests overall.

 

[NeonProject]

I think there is corruption in every country and that it isn't so much people pointing the finger at Sweden specifically, but a reflection on general trust in businesses and such. Lets be fair the contest is also a business and there are certain positives to certain countries winning or doing better in the contest. You really can'y blame people for not being trustworthy of those in power (in all aspects). People with power have hardly shown that the general public should be trustworthy in the past, this of course is in general.
I don't think the Swedish people should take the mistrust of fans personally;
1) If ANY other country hosting was to be around when these changes were made, they would also get the same criticisms, some probably moreso (Azerbaijan, Belarus, Russia).
2) It was a decision made by the EBU and not just SVT, so people really can't blame 'Sweden' for this.

I don't think anything people are saying should be taken 'anti-Swedish' as that's not what people are expressing, they are just expressing concerns over the transparency of the new changes, which is completely fair.

 

[A-lister]

You seem to have been brought up in a delusion of mistrust to everybody. There are actually other grounds than greed and nepotism that can drive society, people and corporations. Your persistent claim of corruption in Sweden is nonsense (any statistics can show that) and is just subversive opportunism in your part. If you didn't considered yourself as Danish now, I would say your argumentation so far has been unpatriotic and anti-Swedish as best, but generally harmful for Swedish interests overall.

I sometimes envy your little protected world of flowers and rainbows... it must be quite nice to live so protected and never have to worry or care for anything. Ignorance is a bliss

If patriotism means to but the blind eye to the bad things in a country then I'm a proud anti-patriot then... but now it's about ESC and the transparency and the credibility of it, not so much to do with Sweden although SVT and MF did inspire these change of rules.

 

[A-lister]

I think there is corruption in every country and that it isn't so much people pointing the finger at Sweden specifically, but a reflection on general trust in businesses and such. Lets be fair the contest is also a business and there are certain positives to certain countries winning or doing better in the contest. You really can'y blame people for not being trustworthy of those in power (in all aspects). People with power have hardly shown that the general public should be trustworthy in the past, this of course is in general.
I don't think the Swedish people should take the mistrust of fans personally;
1) If ANY other country hosting was to be around when these changes were made, they would also get the same criticisms, some probably moreso (Azerbaijan, Belarus, Russia).
2) It was a decision made by the EBU and not just SVT, so people really can't blame 'Sweden' for this.

I don't think anything people are saying should be taken 'anti-Swedish' as that's not what people are expressing, they are just expressing concerns over the transparency of the new changes, which is completely fair.

word!

 

[JohnDoe]

Pot 1

Albania
Croatia
FYR Macedonia
Montenegro
Serbia
Switzerland

Pot 2

Estonia
Finland
Iceland
Ireland
Latvia
Lithuania

Pot 3

Armenia
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Georgia
Russia
Ukraine

Pot 4

Bulgaria
Belgium
Cyprus
Greece
Malta
The Netherlands

Pot 5

Austria
Hungary
Moldova
Romania
San Marino
Slovenia

 

[GRE]

So,
no Turkey...

 

[A-lister]

So,
no Turkey...

Well, they did withdraw so...

 

[DanielLuis]

Where's Israel?

 

[Lonter]

Already on semi... 2 IIRC?

 

[A-lister]

I still think the "Big"- countries plus host should be divided into pots aswell deciding in which semi they should vote. I mean the whole point with pots is to minimize the impact of biased diaspora and bloc voting, but they forgot that the countries directly qualified also have votes like these.

 

[DanielLuis]

Already on semi... 2 IIRC?

Oh, ok, I didn't know that

 

[uninvited]

What's Slovenia doing outside ex-yu pot?

 

[A-lister]

What's Slovenia doing outside ex-yu pot?

I think it make sense, they're not really "in" that bloc. Slovenia I'd say is closer to the central-European "we have no friends" bloc rather than the ex-Yugo bloc. They're somewhere in between those, but closer to the former I'd say.

Anyways the pots are calculated based on voting statistics for the past years, so there's probably a valid reason for this.

 

[uninvited]

I think it make sense, they're not really "in" that bloc. Slovenia I'd say is closer to the central-European "we have no friends" bloc rather than the ex-Yugo bloc. They're somewhere in between those, but closer to the former I'd say.

Anyways the pots are calculated based on voting statistics for the past years, so there's probably a valid reason for this.

Surely they get more points from other ex-yu countries than Switzerland.

 

[evilperson]

So we might get another year of all but one of the ex-yu countries in a semi. Including Switzerland in that pot over Slovenia makes absolutely no sense, especially if they were looking at the last 9 years of voting for stats. Switzerland has a tendency to vote for these countries, but it doesn't receive a lot of points from this group. Its main voting connection here is Albania. Slovenia receives most of its points from ex-yu and it also gives most of its points to ex-yu.

Also pot 2 with Finland and Iceland has the potential to put both of these countries together in either semi AND have Sweden voting in the same semi which could screw either Denmark or Norway.

 

[anto475]

I love how we're always put in the pot of the countries that we typically vote for. Kind of a good thing really, countries like Sweden/Norway/Denmark/Malta are often left out of our pot so that's a winning situation!