Running order for 2013

[LalehForWD]

It's not called Eurovision Song Contest for no reason at all. And yeah, it works pretty much as a sports-event! Countries choose their representative and compete, the only difference is that it's in music and not in sports (and therefor it's a bit more complex to judge it).

I think people downgrade Eurovision, why is grown men running around kicking a round ball so much more 'worthy' that it needs to be taken serious but when it's music it's 'just a fun show'? I will never understand that mindset. To me Eurovision was ALWAYS the musical equivalence to the Olympics or UEFA European Championship. The most sad part is that people calling themselves Eurovision fans and even members of a fan forum ridicule and downtalk the concept.

I don't agree at all. It's impossible to compete in music since there are no objective ways to compare acts. There are no ways you can apply fundamental rules. It's all about subjective taste so a "fair game" is just nonsense. Still there are some real fun to do it anyway, arguing about "best song", "best act" and rooting for your favourites. But the moment nationalism or butthurt revisionism enter the debate, the whole thing become utterly bizarre and rather repulsive BMO.

 

[LalehForWD]

A suggestion: The "worst" position act number 2, could permanently be set to the host country. This way we could get a great opening act and then the host act which will never win and therefore is somewhat special.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

If I have to explain that the Olympics is an ancient competition originating in Greece and Eurovision is a tv show created in competition in 1950s Europe to heal war wounds, then none of you have a right to question my "fan" credentials!
The X Factor's a similar tv competition - but what's more important? The competition or the tv show? Of course the tv show.

 

[A-lister]

If I have to explain that the Olympics is an ancient competition originating in Greece and Eurovision is a tv show created in competition in 1950s Europe to heal war wounds, then none of you have a right to question my "fan" credentials!
The X Factor's a similar tv competition - but what's more important? The competition or the tv show? Of course the tv show.

And what about other championships then?

Gosh you really compare a contest like Eurovision with ALL ITS HISTORY with that crap X-Factor?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

And what about other championships then?

Gosh you really compare a contest like Eurovision with ALL ITS HISTORY with that crap X-Factor?

Dont really know much about them so I cant comment.

As for history? Few of you seem bothered about Eurovision history when you're happy to see those of us participating for nearly 60 years f*cked over by those who've been going a puny few years in the 21st Century...

 

[A-lister]

Dont really know much about them so I cant comment.

As for history? Few of you seem bothered about Eurovision history when you're happy to see those of us participating for nearly 60 years f*cked over by those who've been going a puny few years in the 21st Century...

Well, for instance UEFA Euro championship. I took that as another example.

You had biased juries helping you for around 40 years mate , and you deserve good positions if you send good songs, it's pretty simple. You don't deserve good positions because you happen to be a certain country. UK have been treated unfairly at times, but hardly more than many other countries have been.

Where's your spirit? So you honestly think you're more worthy because you've been in the contest longer? So because you've been in the contest longer you don't have to work for it like newer countries?

 

[Mickey]

It's very hard for me to understand why you get so worked up by this running order thing, but I guess one has to respect that reaction. For me Melodifestivalen and Eurovision is a fun show, not a sportsevent.

So I'm guessing you weren't at all happy that Sweden won this year? You didn't take any interest in the voting and every 12 points awarded to Loreen was just some irrelevant number. Sweden winning just happened to be the way the show ended and then you turned the tv off and forgot all about it. If Russia or Bosnia or Albania had won it would all have been the same to you?

I'm different. One of the best parts of 2011 was that short moment when Blue were top of the leaderboard. An unexpected and remarkable victory briefly seemed possible. As the UK slipped gradually down the standings and a song I hated from Azerbaijan took the title my night reached a miserable ending.

You don't judge the relevance of a contest by whether it's a tv show, by the entertainment quality or by whether it has the word "contest" in its name. You judge it by whether it matters to people. If it didn't matter you wouldn't see the angry xenophobic overreactions in the tabloids when the UK loses. Hundreds of people wouldn't have greeted Loreen when she landed back in Stockholm. MHIY wouldn't be interested in diaspora voting.

 

[QwaarJet]

Dont really know much about them so I cant comment.

As for history? Few of you seem bothered about Eurovision history when you're happy to see those of us participating for nearly 60 years f*cked over by those who've been going a puny few years in the 21st Century...

You must be just trolling us now, surely? Are you seriously suggesting that because UK has been in Eurovision longer they deserve a victory more than the likes of Serbia?

 

[A-lister]

You must be just trolling us now, surely? Are you seriously suggesting that because UK has been in Eurovision longer they deserve a victory more than the likes of Serbia?

... Serbia is not even a stranger to Eurovision in the first place as it competed under Yugoslav flag back in the days. But yeah, that seems like what he's suggesting

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

You guys all make stuff up that hasnt even been said - dunno why you come on a forum if you cant debate without making stuff up...

 

[Stargazer]

I actually don't care about the fixed running order. I think this will help to even the semis out a bit in terms of songs, genres and favorites vs underdogs and thus create a more exciting show to watch. It would be extremely unfair if Sweden got to pick its own starting number, but since that will be decided by lot, I'm totally cool with it. Maybe this will even break the unlucky-draw-#2 spell, if a really great song is put there?

So yeah, I'm honestly indifferent about it and will wait to see how it's all played out and then decide whether it was a good or a bad move.

 

[Matt]

Here is the thing that they should at least consider. If a country had an early draw in the Semis, they should get a later draw in the Finals and vice versa.

 

[A-lister]

I actually don't care about the fixed running order. I think this will help to even the semis out a bit in terms of songs, genres and favorites vs underdogs and thus create a more exciting show to watch. It would be extremely unfair if Sweden got to pick its own starting number, but since that will be decided by lot, I'm totally cool with it. Maybe this will even break the unlucky-draw-#2 spell, if a really great song is put there?

So yeah, I'm honestly indifferent about it and will wait to see how it's all played out and then decide whether it was a good or a bad move.

You sort of talk about it like the diversity in the running-order will come natural and by chance. Did you even watch MF? (which is used as a model for this change). The running-order in MF is VERY predictable, and the second spot is always reserved to the track Björkman least want to qualify. It's so corrupt and fixed there's nothing fair in that running-order.

 

[LalehForWD]

So I'm guessing you weren't at all happy that Sweden won this year? You didn't take any interest in the voting and every 12 points awarded to Loreen was just some irrelevant number. Sweden winning just happened to be the way the show ended and then you turned the tv off and forgot all about it. If Russia or Bosnia or Albania had won it would all have been the same to you?

I'm different. One of the best parts of 2011 was that short moment when Blue were top of the leaderboard. An unexpected and remarkable victory briefly seemed possible. As the UK slipped gradually down the standings and a song I hated from Azerbaijan took the title my night reached a miserable ending.

You don't judge the relevance of a contest by whether it's a tv show, by the entertainment quality or by whether it has the word "contest" in its name. You judge it by whether it matters to people. If it didn't matter you wouldn't see the angry xenophobic overreactions in the tabloids when the UK loses. Hundreds of people wouldn't have greeted Loreen when she landed back in Stockholm. MHIY wouldn't be interested in diaspora voting.

OK, as I said I respect you feel passionate about the contest and I'm sorry if you somehow get an impression I/we are mocking you. My approach to Melodifestivalen/Eurovision is just different than yours. Of course I wanted Loreen to win and me if anyone rooted wildly and passionate for her.

BUT you cannot find a single post of mine where I diss another country or another contestant. You can find several posts where I rooted for other countries and artists as well. In this thread and other threads similar to this, there have been a massive criticism of SVT, Sweden, Malmö and whatever Swedish that comes up. Most of this crap are to me speculations, conspiracy theories, right wing political propaganda, butthurt feelings, envy, etc etc. Just go back a couple of pages and you'll find horrible stuff. Is Sweden really to blame for British failures?

I feel pretty lonely trying to get a fair tone in here. Is there any thoughtful opinion expressed at all?

 

[Mickey]

OK, as I said I respect you feel passionate about the contest and I'm sorry if you somehow get an impression I/we are mocking you. My approach to Melodifestivalen/Eurovision is just different than yours. Of course I wanted Loreen to win and me if anyone rooted wildly and passionate for her.

There you go. You cared about the result.

BUT you cannot find a single post of mine where I diss another country or another contestant. You can find several posts where I rooted for other countries and artists as well. In this thread and other threads similar to this, there have been a massive criticism of SVT, Sweden, Malmö and whatever Swedish that comes up. Most of this crap are to me speculations, conspiracy theories, right wing political propaganda, butthurt feelings, envy, etc etc. Just go back a couple of pages and you'll find horrible stuff. Is Sweden really to blame for British failures?

I feel pretty lonely trying to get a fair tone in here. Is there any thoughtful opinion expressed at all?

Where did I say any of that? I'm not blaming anyone for British failures. All I'm saying is that Eurovision must be a worthwhile contest if our failures mean something to people.

 

[JackBauer]

I think this is a terrible idea but i also think SVT & EBU just created a tons of problems for them.

It will be endless criticizing from the broadcasters, nobody will want the bad spots and will complain about this.

And by a coincidence, should a Scandinavian country wins the eurovision singing at number # 20-26 and should we have a country like Albania, Spain or Matla being the runner up by a few point and singing at number # 2-6 all hell will break loose on the broadcaster and Sweden in general.

Conspiracy theories will rise and calls from boycott will come from newspapers and people who don't usually give a f***.

Everyone will say that they knew Denmark and Albania did very well in the semis and that they wanted Denmark to win.

Everyone will point out the EBU supervisor is Swedish etc.


I really think that this false good idea can hurt eurovision.

 

[NeonProject]

If I have to explain that the Olympics is an ancient competition originating in Greece and Eurovision is a tv show created in competition in 1950s Europe to heal war wounds, then none of you have a right to question my "fan" credentials!
The X Factor's a similar tv competition - but what's more important? The competition or the tv show? Of course the tv show.

The TV show is Called Eurovision Song CONTEST. If we want to throw the contest part out of the window it would be Eurovision Song Festival or something. And there would be no winner. It is a competition, always has been. People criticise the X Factor for it's unfairness, this is what people are doing here. So if you're going to compare the two like so, you seem to be taking back this sentiment that people shouldn't be criticising the move.
Also yeah, the Olympics has a lot more history, but all contests have to start somewhere and keep their fair elements. Nevermind this, but no one needed you to explain how Eurovision was created, now you're just being rude, talking down to everyone and bringing irrelevant stuff up.

Dont really know much about them so I cant comment.

As for history? Few of you seem bothered about Eurovision history when you're happy to see those of us participating for nearly 60 years f*cked over by those who've been going a puny few years in the 21st Century...

The only people fucking the United Kingdom right now are the BBC no one else. Tell me honestly, how many of our entries did you actually pay for in downloads or physical CD's?

Also while you're being ignorant and keeping your eyes closed to what other people have to say, you will have missed out on something I've experienced since 2009. And that is a really nice increase in people online (especially here) from other Eurovision countries wanting the United Kingdom to do well. They want us to have a good entry, they want to see a win from us, but we can't just walk in, declare what country we are and nab the trophy, we have to compete like everyone else. Blue and Jade weren't the best we have to offer, you're kidding yourself if that's what you think, but from their participations, we see that people across Europe are willing to vote for us and root for us if we compete.

No one is against us and that's what really bothers me about attitudes towards Eurovision like yours.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I didnt mention history first, that was your side.

How many of our recent entries have I bought? Let me see... Javine, Scooch, Jade Ewen, Josh Dubovie, Blue and Engelbert Humperdinck .

People are against us have you not seen the attitudes and some of the comments of posters on this very thread?!

 

[ukboy]

As long as Sweden gives themselves #2

 

[NeonProject]

I didnt mention history first, that was your side.

How many of our recent entries have I bought? Let me see... Javine, Scooch, Jade Ewen, Josh Dubovie, Blue and Engelbert Humperdinck .

People are against us have you not seen the attitudes and some of the comments of posters on this very thread?!

My side? I didn't say anything before my post related to history. I was just replying to something you said to someone else.

You really bought all of them? :/

The only negative anyone has said in this thread is that our entries have not been up to scratch, which I agree with. Like I said in my previous post, which you obviously ignored, which I'm not at all surprised about. People genuinely want to see the UK do well, but we need to work for it, just like everyone else does.