Running order for 2013

[DanielLuis]

The running track of Eurovision - distance to the finish line:
Turkey - 40m
Serbia - 50m
Sweden - 55m
Russia - 65m
United Kingdom - 150m
Ireland - 155m
France - 160m

And yet Turkey didn't even manage to qualify last year.

 

[DanielLuis]

Well you do well with the juries for sure, much better than Russia does. Now compare that to us or France, we are disadvantaged in both the televote and jury, hence why we have like 100m more than either you or Russia to even be in with a chance of victory.

But, as I've said to you already, the UK finishes lower because you're entries are horrible, except 2009 (in which you got a well-deserved 5th place). In 2011 the entry was blah and you should be very happy with thw 11th place.
So basically that's it, if you send good entries, you'll earn a place in the top 10.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

And yet Turkey didn't even manage to qualify last year.

Oh one odd case is proof against my argument? Rubbish. And Turkey didnt qualify with an absolutely atrocious song - they've sent many a bad song that we would have got about 5 points or something sending, but done very well, like this year's entry.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

But, as I've said to you already, the UK finishes lower because you're entries are horrible, except 2009 (in which you got a well-deserved 5th place). In 2011 the entry was blah and you should be very happy with thw 11th place.
So basically that's it, if you send good entries, you'll earn a place in the top 10.

No, we finish lower because we are disadvantaged. We sent something and get like 10 points, if another country sent it, they'd be hoarding in all their matey points from all over the bloody show! We got 5th at a great push, and as I said, from much further behind than other countries - that's how Turkey and Azerbaijan managed to overtake us despite their weak singing and typical songs.

 

[CC92]

I agree the voting is unfair but I do not think it effects the high positions. More like who's ending up 18th and who's 23rd. As the favourites most likely will get good draws it (hopefully) won't change much of the outcome. Only the gap between favourites and non-favourites is probably getting bigger. And at least the procedure is unavoidably transparent and we might get an idea of how the 'jury' has voted (SVT's source while determining the favourites) which is a good thing.
Still not a fan, but there's nothing we can do than give it a try.

 

[Scooby]

No, we finish lower because we are disadvantaged. We sent something and get like 10 points, if another country sent it, they'd be hoarding in all their matey points from all over the bloody show! We got 5th at a great push, and as I said, from much further behind than other countries - that's how Turkey and Azerbaijan managed to overtake us despite their weak singing and typical songs.

UK is far the worst country in the Big 5 group, when we talk about songs. And most of the ordinary ESC audience use that British 3 minutes in final to go to the toilet or to make the coffee. And that is the reason why UK is almost always in the bottom, very deserved bottom!

Blue 2011 - a retired boy band who was on the maximum 20 years ago (old guys try to sing teen song)
Engy 2012 - what to say, even my grandma fell asleep on that 20s schlager
Josh 2010 - 20 year old guy who sing song for kids of age 10
Andy 2008 - guy from talent show with extremely bad song and awful choreography (my cat dancing better than he)
Scooch 2007 - flying the flag for you 3
Daz Sampson 2006 - school example of what music is not
Javine 2005 - cheep version of British oriental music, only a belly dancer was missing on stage (touch my fire :? yeah sure)
Jemini 2003 - this was the biggest crap in modern ESC history

On my opinion the last extraordinary British song was 1997 Katrina & the Waves, even I like very much James Fox 2004 and Jade was good. I think they were underrated only 2004, and all other result were more than deserved.

And comparison between Turkey and UK in last ten years is not real. Turkey give us entertaining and music and give us complete show, UK forced us to toilets.

Sorry, but this is true. If BBC want to back golden 1990's they must take this competition seriously.

 

[DanielLuis]

No, we finish lower because we are disadvantaged. We sent something and get like 10 points, if another country sent it, they'd be hoarding in all their matey points from all over the bloody show! We got 5th at a great push, and as I said, from much further behind than other countries - that's how Turkey and Azerbaijan managed to overtake us despite their weak singing and typical songs.

So UK 2008, 2010 and 2012 deserved good placings? And 2007, 2006 as well? Get a grip.

 

[CC92]

UK is far the worst country in the Big 5 group, when we talk about songs. And most of the ordinary ESC audience use that British 3 minutes in final to go to the toilet or to make the coffee. And that is the reason why UK is almost always in the bottom, very deserved bottom!

Blue 2011 - a retired boy band who was on the maximum 20 years ago (old guys try to sing teen song)
Engy 2012 - what to say, even my grandma fell asleep on that 20s schlager
Josh 2010 - 20 year old guy who sing song for kids of age 10
Andy 2008 - guy from talent show with extremely bad song and awful choreography (my cat dancing better than he)
Scooch 2007 - flying the flag for you 3
Daz Sampson 2006 - school example of what music is not
Javine 2005 - cheep version of British oriental music, only a belly dancer was missing on stage (touch my fire :? yeah sure)
Jemini 2003 - this was the biggest crap in modern ESC history

On my opinion the last extraordinary British song was 1997 Katrina & the Waves, even I like very much James Fox 2004 and Jade was good. I think they were underrated only 2004, and all other result were more than deserved.

And comparison between Turkey and UK in last ten years is not real. Turkey give us entertaining and music and give us complete show, UK forced us to toilets.

Sorry, but this is true. If BBC want to back golden 1990's they must take this competition seriously.

I agree with everything except 2009, which was a terrible cheesefest, and maybe 2011, which was not great either yet among the best in a very weak year.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

So UK 2008, 2010 and 2012 deserved good placings? And 2007, 2006 as well? Get a grip.

You're all the bloody same! Make crap up that hasnt even been said, no wonder you have a bad reputation!

Im glad some of the countries that have brought this contest down are leaving, finally we can get back to how it used to be!

 

[anto475]

A good show is the most important thing. And this new rule will bring a better show!

I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence there. This will make a better show for viewers. HOWEVER, Eurovision is not a show that happens to be a competition, rather it is a competition that happens to be televised. If it's a good show you want, then why are you so concerned about the voting, surely the results don't matter to someone who cares more about the spectacle of the event.

No, we finish lower because we are disadvantaged. We sent something and get like 10 points, if another country sent it, they'd be hoarding in all their matey points from all over the bloody show! We got 5th at a great push, and as I said, from much further behind than other countries - that's how Turkey and Azerbaijan managed to overtake us despite their weak singing and typical songs.

Turkey and Azerbaijan were better songs than the UK in 2009. Your entries are generally trashy or outdated, just like ours, because public interest in the contest, therefore musical interest in it, is much lower than in the likes of Sweden or Russia. Big names enter their national finals because standing on the Eurovision stage knowing the majority of your country is cheering you on and because of the prestige it brings the artist at home, as well as the honour of representing their country on an international platform. The BBC went around begging artists from times past until they hit on Englebert, Blue went with the BBC on a careless whim, Josh Dubovie and Andy Abraham were just washed up, as was Jade Ewen, however she was put with a great song and a gifted songwriter. For us, RTÉ did much the same, Jedward entering to bring back fame from a lull in popularity that came as the next season of the X-Factor threatened to turn them into nobodies. Niamh Kavanagh was brought back, Black Daisy was washed up, and Dustin entered on a whim. There's very little discrimination against us in terms of bloc voting. Get over yourself and whatever superiority complex you have about the UK. It's a great country, I mean the Olympics were mad stunning and you do really well in football and rugby and in the field of science, just get used to the fact that the UK music style that is snapped up by the Anglosphere doesn't go down as well as you might hope in Europe, and then you may do well.

Also I came to this thread wanting to just point something out before I got carried away. Does anyone else remember one of eurovision.tv's long-winded posts about the general theme of Malmo2013 where they said that Loreen's description of her victory as organic? I was just thinking of it and I feel that this running-order fix isn't organic at all, in fact it's quite synthetic and augmented, and the only organic way to choose starting positions is by chance, i.e. the draw. Bjorkman picks and chooses what image he wants to portray of Sweden it seems.

 

[Matt]

I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence there. This will make a better show for viewers. HOWEVER, Eurovision is not a show that happens to be a competition, rather it is a competition that happens to be televised. If it's a good show you want, then why are you so concerned about the voting, surely the results don't matter to someone who cares more about the spectacle of the event.



Turkey and Azerbaijan were better songs than the UK in 2009. Your entries are generally trashy or outdated, just like ours, because public interest in the contest, therefore musical interest in it, is much lower than in the likes of Sweden or Russia. Big names enter their national finals because standing on the Eurovision stage knowing the majority of your country is cheering you on and because of the prestige it brings the artist at home, as well as the honour of representing their country on an international platform. The BBC went around begging artists from times past until they hit on Englebert, Blue went with the BBC on a careless whim, Josh Dubovie and Andy Abraham were just washed up, as was Jade Ewen, however she was put with a great song and a gifted songwriter. For us, RTÉ did much the same, Jedward entering to bring back fame from a lull in popularity that came as the next season of the X-Factor threatened to turn them into nobodies. Niamh Kavanagh was brought back, Black Daisy was washed up, and Dustin entered on a whim. There's very little discrimination against us in terms of bloc voting. Get over yourself and whatever superiority complex you have about the UK. It's a great country, I mean the Olympics were mad stunning and you do really well in football and rugby and in the field of science, just get used to the fact that the UK music style that is snapped up by the Anglosphere doesn't go down as well as you might hope in Europe, and then you may do well.

Also I came to this thread wanting to just point something out before I got carried away. Does anyone else remember one of eurovision.tv's long-winded posts about the general theme of Malmo2013 where they said that Loreen's description of her victory as organic? I was just thinking of it and I feel that this running-order fix isn't organic at all, in fact it's quite synthetic and augmented, and the only organic way to choose starting positions is by chance, i.e. the draw. Bjorkman picks and chooses what image he wants to portray of Sweden it seems.

Very well said! Saves me a lot of time!

 

[A-lister]

Also I came to this thread wanting to just point something out before I got carried away. Does anyone else remember one of eurovision.tv's long-winded posts about the general theme of Malmo2013 where they said that Loreen's description of her victory as organic? I was just thinking of it and I feel that this running-order fix isn't organic at all, in fact it's quite synthetic and augmented, and the only organic way to choose starting positions is by chance, i.e. the draw. Bjorkman picks and chooses what image he wants to portray of Sweden it seems.

This! Björkman and SVT are so full of themselves, they are complete hypocrites and think so highly of themselves.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Well at the end of the day, as I've said before, you all take Eurovision way to seriously, a seriousness that it is not designed for.
Eurovision is a television show that happens to be a competition, not the other way around which happens to be the case for the Olympics.

You wallow in your ultra-seriousness and bias towards the countries that corrupt the contest, fine. But I shant be joining my voice to that racket.

 

[anto475]

Well at the end of the day, as I've said before, you all take Eurovision way to seriously, a seriousness that it is not designed for.
Eurovision is a television show that happens to be a competition, not the other way around which happens to be the case for the Olympics.

You wallow in your ultra-seriousness and bias towards the countries that corrupt the contest, fine. But I shant be joining my voice to that racket.

Ok, I don't want to get further into this because internet arguments and all that, but it's called the Eurovision Song Contest. I don't know how you could misinterpret that to mean that the competition aspect of the contest is secondary to the others.

 

[NeonProject]

Well at the end of the day, as I've said before, you all take Eurovision way to seriously, a seriousness that it is not designed for.
Eurovision is a television show that happens to be a competition, not the other way around which happens to be the case for the Olympics.

You wallow in your ultra-seriousness and bias towards the countries that corrupt the contest, fine. But I shant be joining my voice to that racket.

Why are you even here?

 

[DanielLuis]

You're all the bloody same! Make crap up that hasnt even been said, no wonder you have a bad reputation!

Im glad some of the countries that have brought this contest down are leaving, finally we can get back to how it used to be!

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[QwaarJet]

Why are you even here?

Agreeing with this. You seem to hate our attitude towards Eurovision so much and you don't even seem to like the contest (and yes, It's a contest that happens to be a tv show) that much either. All you do is complain about the diaspora voting and corruption. For someone who says they don't take it seriously, you do seem to get in quite a pickle over the voting.

 

[A-lister]

Well at the end of the day, as I've said before, you all take Eurovision way to seriously, a seriousness that it is not designed for.
Eurovision is a television show that happens to be a competition, not the other way around which happens to be the case for the Olympics.

You wallow in your ultra-seriousness and bias towards the countries that corrupt the contest, fine. But I shant be joining my voice to that racket.

Sorry but this is a Eurovision fan forum, we ought to take this serious in here (it would be odd if we wouldn't).

And it is a contest whether one wants to admit it or not and you can't just overlook that crucial part. It doesn't even seem like you're a fan of the contest?

 

[LalehForWD]

It's very hard for me to understand why you get so worked up by this running order thing, but I guess one has to respect that reaction. For me Melodifestivalen and Eurovision is a fun show, not a sportsevent.

 

[A-lister]

It's very hard for me to understand why you get so worked up by this running order thing, but I guess one has to respect that reaction. For me Melodifestivalen and Eurovision is a fun show, not a sportsevent.

It's not called Eurovision Song Contest for no reason at all. And yeah, it works pretty much as a sports-event! Countries choose their representative and compete, the only difference is that it's in music and not in sports (and therefor it's a bit more complex to judge it).

I think people downgrade Eurovision, why is grown men running around kicking a round ball so much more 'worthy' that it needs to be taken serious but when it's music it's 'just a fun show'? I will never understand that mindset. To me Eurovision was ALWAYS the musical equivalence to the Olympics or UEFA European Championship. The most sad part is that people calling themselves Eurovision fans and even members of a fan forum ridicule and downtalk the concept.