Portugal PORTUGAL 2017 - Salvador Sobral - Amar pelos dois

[Laepo1]

If one day Portugal can actually be happy about winning something without complaining about every single detail and dissecting all the fucking situation and coming up with: "we ONLY won BECAUSE this happened", I'll kill myself. Since that day will never happen, I can carry on living.

ffs, Salvador won in a fucking landslide, won jury and the televote with a huge margin, breaking almost all records, there were artists CRYING when he took the stage at the final in Kyev. He had been considered one of the favorites for weeks! The press in all Europe has nothing but compliments for him and his song and people are worried he'll be remembered because he was hispter or odd-looking? seriously, Portugal is having an amazing year, but we just have to remove the happiness from everything and make everything look like a sad story, don't we?

btw, the fact that he is, in your opinion, hipster looking, defeats your own argument: If he's hipster he shouldn't appeal to the masses or the mainstream public, and if he doesn't appeal to masses how did so many people vote for him?

 

[joao]

Definitely a hipster factor helped and a lot. I wouldn't connect it so much to the song itself however, rather the performer. The song might sound classic but there is nothing classic about Salvador. He's as much as a modern hipster can get. If he was this tidy contained conservative type that is usually associated with this type of music he wouldn't have gotten anywhere near where he did.
This song would have not existed without Luísa's sensibility and musical education since Salvador would have never in his life been able to write a song like this, that I know for sure. He's a very genuine performer but this song is not his true face. So I can't help feeling that people are kind of being led on by some non-factual "truths".

I think Portuguese press helped a lot at the beginning because they wanted to throw at everyone's face how different and special this song was, even if we had not won. We Portuguese are known for being a proud bunch and whenever we fail internationally it is always because "the world does not gets us" (kind of like what I'm seeing now with the Italian results).

Older fans of the contest were also a contributing factor, this song was for older people connected to the contest a way of protesting against what Eurovision has become.

Bookmakers picked on the hype and contributed a lot as well.

As much as I'm a happy Portuguese winning ESC fan I'm not buying we won because suddenly the world woke up again to the charms of more classic sound textures. There's an important sociological context associated with this victory obviously.

I'll save the beautiful arrangements and words for myself. Also the thrill of having my country in the positive spotlight at last. But I'm keen on quickly forgetting all of the "anti" hatred, the fast food (ah) trendy fans bandwagon and all of the hype that comes along with it.

It is a beautiful piece of music that got rather pulled out of context. As much as I understand the historical moment we are living around here right now I definitely am not a fan of the song being played 24/7 everywhere.

The particular phenomena of whole Portugal suddenly embracing Eurovision feels very fake to me. Obviously what is being embraced at the utmost is success. Eurovision was (and will remain) this niche thing around here, moreso than in any other Western European country. The connection of the majority of the Portuguese population to the contest will never be at level with, say, Sweden's (with all the good and bad that can bring). What I really dislike is that all these sudden "fans" of Eurovision patting the true fans on the back right now will be the first ones turning their backs on everything once we get back to flopping. And then Eurovision will be seen as it has always been as the mainly around here - something cheesy and unimportant that only "gays and weirdos care for". It's easy to tell that a lot of that people at the airport reception were just there because it was the "it" moment.

I honestly do not believe Salvador will build that big of a career in the future. Just look at past ESC winners. Most keep their international cred alive by hanging on to the ESC circle as firmly as possible. And Salvador already let us all know that he's too cool to hang on to the contest. Maybe it'll hit him in a few years time how wrong he was.

Again, nothing really in particular against Salvador but I just dislike that this beautiful song will go down on Europe's collective memory as "that one year the quirky odd acting guy" won. I'd prefer to think the song really touched people as much as they are claiming it did but unfortunately this is yet just another case of the cover of the book taking all of the credit for the contents within.

#1 - It's obvious it's persona helped. Could you imagine Lordi winning with the looks of O. Torvald? Could you imagine Helena Paparizo winning if she was a little bit heavier and with a dress to the floor? Ofc not. That's why the countries perform. Everything counts.

#2 -"People being led by some none factual truths" Well the thing is you never know if he could actually write this. And from what I have seen Luisa has always been at the spotlight with Salvador. She was on the postcard, she was in every press conference, she was always next to him and she even performed at the end with him. And since when is this a bad thing? I think the majority of the artists that perform on eurovision aren't capable of constructing a song. That's why some people compose and sing, some only compose and others only sing.

#3 - Older fans were a contributing factor?? I mean, Salvador won both the jury and the televote. Do you honestly believe every elderly person decided to vote for Portugal? "Hum I hate eurovsion but I'm gonna watch it and vote for Portugal in protest. Because yodeling it's disgracefull!" Probably not.


I think people should stop being such haters. There is always a problem, and "this" or "that".

And about the we as a population? Of course everyone is happy. Portugal won. That's what's called national pride! Especially when is a show where we participate for 49 years. People didn't stop watching eurovision because it was bad. People stopped because we had sh*tty results again and again. No likes to see theire own country getting punched in the face a falling miserably over and over again.

Ofc this doesn't mean eurovision will be for ever and ever popular in Portugal. There is an obvious hype for the event which makes sense now. And who knows if this doesn't stay popular? Maybe there will be a lot of known artists that are willing to participate now because they finally get that when done right your song can be number 1 on itunes in multiple countries. We have to wait for the next FdC and see who is singing what.

Do you think if Rita Redshoes get's invited again that she will be giving her song to a "The voice" contestant? I bet she won't

 

[Dark]

This is a sketch from 2007 from a famous Portuguese comedian group (Gato Fedorento):

This was basicly what happened this year :v

 

[lacrymea]

[MENTION=13185]Edward[/MENTION]

Don't assume your own (and looooooong words) are a fact. It's your opinion, nothing else. I, for one, don't agree with anything you said. It was basically just a big negative ranting on how the performer's merits were non-existent.

He won because he's a hipster and people like hipsters and the song was just a detail and it all came down to Salvador's quirky personna?

Well, in my eyes (and apparently, most of voting Europe's eyes) it was a combined appeal both of a damn good song and a damn good singer that presents this sort of magnetism that pulls people in.

Some people wrote during the season that Salvador was in fact the song. So of course him being who he is had a positive effect in the whole deliverance.
My question: when does it not?

 

[popavapeur]

the "truth" lies somewhere in between I'm very critical with my own countries and I actually find interesting what Edward has to say because I don't think he's 100% wrong and I don't think it's a problem to put water in your wine. That doesn't take off the success and the win but analysing things shouldn't be a bad thing and -at the worst- winning for all the wrong reasons is not bad too - you won, period. So I guess everybody has the right to explain his feelings and I find interesting to real all of you that liked or disliked the song.

What bothers me with the "he gets most points" is : did people actually divide by the numbers of countries competing ? Someone that gets 30 points with 30 countries doesn't have the same ratio as receiving 30 points with 3 countries if you know what I mean, I'm sure he'll be still 1st, but that would be more accurate. Is somebody willing to review this ?

 

[hijirio]

3:00
Just realized this:
Salvador reacts to Aminata calling him a "pop idol" by saying "POP?? POP?? NO POP!!"

It's so funny, how the most underdog competitor suddenly became so bold and brave to judge other genres of music, after winning the contest.

Really guys, say hi to the most egoist and arrogant winner of the contest.

 

[lacrymea]

3:00
Just realized this:
Salvador reacts to Aminata calling him a "pop idol" by saying "POP?? POP?? NO POP!!"

It's so funny, how the most underdog competitor suddenly became so bold and brave to judge other genres of music, after winning the contest.

Really guys, say hi to the most egoist and arrogant winner of the contest.

He still has nightmares with Pop Idol: a show he participated 10 years ago and doesn't have fond memories of. So yeah, he doesn't consider himself a pop idol. But carry on on scrutinizing everything he says and does...

 

[ScarlettGirl]

He still has nightmares with Pop Idol: a show he participated 10 years ago and doesn't have fond memories of. So yeah, he doesn't consider himself a pop idol. But carry on on scrutinizing everything he says and does...

What bad memories does he have from there?

 

[hijirio]

He still has nightmares with Pop Idol: a show he participated 10 years ago and doesn't have fond memories of. So yeah, he doesn't consider himself a pop idol. But carry on on scrutinizing everything he says and does...

I KNOW RIGHT?? Thank you so much for building up to my argument.

As if participating in the Eurovision song contest wasn't enough, he apparently also took part in pop idol.

One more contradiction added to the list.

So, why all this fuss about fast food music and disposable music if you actually profit so much from the areas where they are cherished, just to gain popularity and fame?

So dishonest....

 

[genreJake09]

because he's saying they shouldn't be cherished so much, that's why he said it's a win for music (that power of music)

 

[JonnyWest]

I KNOW RIGHT?? Thank you so much for building up to my argument.

As if participating in the Eurovision song contest wasn't enough, he apparently also took part in pop idol.

One more contradiction added to the list.

So, why all this fuss about fast food music and disposable music if you actually profit so much from the areas where they are cherished, just to gain popularity and fame?

So dishonest....

Keep trying honey

 

[lacrymea]

What bad memories does he have from there?

He stated several times (here in Portugal, cause people only remembered him for that show) that it was not a positive experience for him. So much so, that it was a huge factor for him to leave Portugal and try to make it abroad (The States, Spain) at the time.

In his opinion, Pop Idol was all about entertainment and had very little to do with talent or music. He felt that the producers tried to shape him into a character that was missing on the show (a stereotypical one) and he had to pretend to fit the mold. I watched it back then and know what he's talking about. Truth be told, he never refers to it with pride.

 

[genreJake09]

I want to like this and I like you but it's a little immature

 

[lavieenrose]

As of right now Salvador beat Kristian by only 143 points

Interview with Salvador about his song being political

 

[GRE]

Congratulations to the most underrated country of Eurovision Song Contest !!!
Karma worked for you !
I remember myself many weeks ago, saying again & again that this song will win (despite the fact that it wasn't my favorite).
Nobody believed me back then, because the hype of Italy was so strong before the rehearsals.

Btw, Luisa is such an adorable person, I really like her !
Salvador is an arrogant person, but hey, it's not a character competition, it's a song contest !

 

[ScarlettGirl]

He stated several times (here in Portugal, cause people only remembered him for that show) that it was not a positive experience for him. So much so, that it was a huge factor for him to leave Portugal and try to make it abroad (The States, Spain) at the time.

In his opinion, Pop Idol was all about entertainment and had very little to do with talent or music. He felt that the producers tried to shape him into a character that was missing on the show (a stereotypical one) and he had to pretend to fit the mold. I watched it back then and know what he's talking about. Truth be told, he never refers to it with pride.

Contests like that usually is, sadly. (Just my opinion )

 

[esc87fan]

Salvador's victory made news here in Canada! Check it out!
http://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/portugal-eurovision-winner-returns-home-1.4114764

 

[RainyWoods]

3:00
Just realized this:
Salvador reacts to Aminata calling him a "pop idol" by saying "POP?? POP?? NO POP!!"

It's so funny, how the most underdog competitor suddenly became so bold and brave to judge other genres of music, after winning the contest.

Really guys, say hi to the most egoist and arrogant winner of the contest.

I was actually going to write about this when it happened but forgot to at the time. I've previously read interviews where Salvador candidly speaks about his negative experiences on the show. To me I feel like Aminata is almost taunting Salvador here. That's a tiny chapter from his life, that he moved on from many years ago. It's a weird thing to compliment someone by calling them a pop idol when what they are is the complete opposite, and that small chapter from the past has no relevance to the now. He's not arrogant or an egoist, he's just someone passionate and with strong opinions. In interviews for his latest album, Salvador himself describes it as being a combination of pop and jazz, so the only thing he was probably protesting was someone randomly bringing up an unpleasant, regrettable and frankly quite irrelevant in that moment, chapter of his life.

 

[Alaska49]

wow and i thought i was a debbie downer for being like "i think he's arrogant and puts on a bit of an act and that kinda ruins the appeal for me" and then i open this thread and there are actual people from portugal being waaaaay harsher than that? i am really the nicest person i know sometimes

i mean, yes, i'm not at all a fan of salvador the person and it's the biggest block between me and appreciation for the entry (as i've said before, i'd be 100% down if luisa performed it herself), but... it's not at all hard to understand the appeal, you guys. i got it from the very moment i watched his festival da canção semi performance live. his act is veeeeery strangely compelling in one way (people who think he is cute and vulnerable) or another (depressed people listening to toxic music such as myself who were very curious about what the hell he was doing). in fact, if i were never exposed to salvador's unpleasant and frankly immature "i am a steak tartare surrounded by hamburgers" side of his personality, i'd be probably still be on board of this one.

 

[GRE]

Robin answered to Salvador
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUKfaAMFyhK/