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Portugal PORTUGAL 2017 - Salvador Sobral - Amar pelos dois

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Chorizo

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Salvador basically talked of the music industry in general. He developed this thought further on in the press conference. It was not about any song in particular. Let alone any artist featured on ESC. He didn't single anyone out.

But i think it's funny how Robin took it to heart and assumed that remark was meant for him... :rolleyes:

Salvador didn't single anyone out because he decided to throw shade at everyone. xshrug
 

cegs5

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Wow so many people didn't get what Salvador actually meant. He didn't say in his speech "real music" at all. He spoke about making music that actually means something... there is no room for missinterpretation here. Music is not fireworks... indeed it isn't, that's SHOW. Music is feeling... who can disagree with that? Salvador himself said countless times he likes Italy and Belgium, both pop songs, both used visual effects onstage, I don't know if he liked that but talking about the songs themselves, he really liked them. If Robin or somebody else felt insulted, it's because they consider their music only show without feeling... but what they do it's music too, disposable music, but music in the end.

I absolutely agree with Salvador, me who really like some fireworks and WTF shows in Eurovision. The victory of Amar pelos dois, is a victory of music over the show, that's it.
 

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For those who say Salvador hated every song and everyone in the contest.
He appreciates meaningful songs and melodies and no one is entitled to tell him what he should or shouldn't like, personal taste people... out of all the people, some Eurovision fans can be very intolerant to difference sometimes
 

DanielLuis

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http://www.escgo.com/2017/05/16/abba-sobral-2017-landmark-year-eurovision/

This is a great article, that I think every Eurovision fan should read.

Portugal’s victory is a victory for Eurovision itself. It’s a clear sign that pure music is still valued and recognised in all corners, in all cultures of Europe, no matter what language or what country. It’s Eurovision’s own victory, because this song winning demonstrates that the contest is still open and that anything, in any style, from any country, in any language, can win – as long as it’s good and it touches the hearts of the European people. It’s Eurovision’s own victory, because it shows the world the competition is still fair and relevant (after this victory, probably more so than in the past decades).
Portugal 2017 must be the anti-hero of SVT. The nightmare of the Swedish establishment, who seem to love nothing more than a performance that is completely planned-through into the smallest detail and will always be the robotic same. Who seem to want to kill any spontaneous artistic expression at the root. Who seemed like they needed to teach the rest of Europe how to do Eurovision “properly” (in their eyes). Who seemed to force their standards upon the whole contest. Who – deliberately or not – seem to have established colonies in Azerbaijan, Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Ireland and other countries, in a condescending attempt to take over the whole of Europe, the whole of our Eurovision. They failed. Europe has emancipated itself from the Swedish establishment.
 

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http://www.escgo.com/2017/05/16/abba-sobral-2017-landmark-year-eurovision/

Great article ;)
I really think this year was a turning point for the contest, Eurovision is made of cycles and we're entering a new one

It's indeed a good article, I can agree with most what it's said there...but I am not sure if we are entering a new cycle. Ten years ago, when Molitva won, it was said that finally songs in native language are well rewarded... it needed TEN YEARS to get another winner like that. In 2012 we got many songs in native language that did well, 3/5 or 6/10 was a good rate.
It didn't mean anything for the next years.

This victory looks more like a one-off stuff... in the levels of Dana International, Lordi, Conchita, perhaps the difference is that music preveal in Salvador's case, and that gives me some hope, but right now my feeling is that big shows and plastic are coming back stronger the coming years, people got their "anti establishment" winner, now let's carry on with our "normal lives" and what it's supposed to be.

We'll see.
 

EscGeek

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Salvador's winning speech made me go wtf, so i'm with Robin on this one:D
 

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Salvador seems like a genuinely decent, honest person with a natural talent and he is very comfortable with who he is, while others pretend to be someone else and in particular so much cooler. I am sorry he takes a lot of fire, but I am sure he can handle it well. Given his supposed cardiac condition, the attacks on him are utterly disgraceful.
 

GermanBango

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He shared his opinion and I suppose he was very well aware that not everyone would love it. The disgusting insults and attacks on e.g. Twitter or Facebook are ofc despicable but I don't see anything wrong in Robin's statement. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that nobody is allowed to criticize someone's opinion and bringing up his medical condition as some kind of excuse is just straight up laughable. Both Salvador and Robin have a point if we are being fully honest. End of the story.
 

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I remember someone in this thread lamenting how Salvador's cover of Joni MITCHELL wouldn't be on youtube... it is angelically beautiful...
 

Quent91

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Congratulations Portugal ! I'm happy that you guys have won for the first time in a song sung IN YOUR OWN LANGUAGE ! But in the meantime, I don't like the song a lot. It's an okay song, and the way Salvador acted on stage made me think he is autistic.
 

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http://www.escgo.com/2017/05/16/abba-sobral-2017-landmark-year-eurovision/

This is a great article, that I think every Eurovision fan should read.

Can't we just congratule someone without bringing down someone else ? Where is the point to people to say "Portugal was great, Sweden is robotic and cheap" what are they winning by diminushing the hard work of Sweden ? the way Swedes produce music began in the 80', that was a long way to come with many tests and experimentations. It's not that easy to gather everybody behind a song that have to appeal to most people. Composing music for pop stars is a very specific way of working. We should respect AND the work of Luisa Sobral and her incredible win with his brother as a performer for "Amar Pelos Dois" AND the way swedes create music and the staging behind "I Can't Go On". That's two different vision in the same art.

There is no sore losers, or bad losers just different point of view.

By the way, what I like the most with Portugal's win is just that everybody can win and the language problem is definitely a bad excuse given by some countries to their audience why they failed (Hello France) . No, you just had a song that wasn't good enough to win the whole thing so stop saying bullshit and put your shit together next year. No more excuses.
 

Estelle

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Worst winner in many years!!!! How could this snooze song win?

I dislike the singer so much. What a arrogant person.

Sorry but I don't get it.
 

Ezio

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Omg all this jealousy and hate against Salvador is actually really funny :lol:
 

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http://www.escgo.com/2017/05/16/abba-sobral-2017-landmark-year-eurovision/

This is a great article, that I think every Eurovision fan should read.

Portugal’s victory is a victory for songwriters. It’s an iconic victory for them, as they are what the Eurovision Song Contest actually is about. You didn’t know? Take another look at the name: Eurovision Song Contest. It’s not a singing contest. It’s not a performer contest. It’s a song contest. Who is the main artist behind a song? The person who wrote it!


PREACH!


Portugal’s victory is a victory for Eurovision itself. It’s a clear sign that pure music is still valued and recognised in all corners, in all cultures of Europe, no matter what language or what country. It’s Eurovision’s own victory, because this song winning demonstrates that the contest is still open and that anything, in any style, from any country, in any language, can win – as long as it’s good and it touches the hearts of the European people. It’s Eurovision’s own victory, because it shows the world the competition is still fair and relevant (after this victory, probably more so than in the past decades

PREACH!

Portugal 2017 must be the anti-hero of SVT. The nightmare of the Swedish establishment, who seem to love nothing more than a performance that is completely planned-through into the smallest detail and will always be the robotic same. Who seem to want to kill any spontaneous artistic expression at the root. Who seemed like they needed to teach the rest of Europe how to do Eurovision “properly” (in their eyes). Who seemed to force their standards upon the whole contest. Who – deliberately or not – seem to have established colonies in Azerbaijan, Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Ireland and other countries, in a condescending attempt to take over the whole of Europe, the whole of our Eurovision. They failed. Europe has emancipated itself from the Swedish establishment.

LOLZ

The victory of Salvador Sobral is a turning point in Eurovision history. It’s probably the most important victory since ABBA. It introduces a new paradigm. Not a paradigm that takes Eurovision completely away from the ABBA influence, but one that empowers non-pop music in the contest. Jamala paved the way already. Salvador Sobral is the turning point. It brings the international, multicultural aspect of Eurovision back into the spotlight. It reanimates the heart of Eurovision. I don’t want a Swedish Eurovision. I want a pan-European Eurovision. And yes, this includes Anna Book, Eric Saade, Samir & Victor or Björn Ranelid feat. Sara Li. I never said I don’t love them.

AMEN
 
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