Portugal PORTUGAL 2017 - Salvador Sobral - Amar pelos dois

[DanielLuis]

This is a bit off-topic but I remember someone saying somewhere on this forum that someone like Wiktoria as a judge would never rank Portugal well. Turns out Wiktoria was actually the only one on the Swedish jury that ranked Portugal as #1!

 

[genreJake09]

well people do either love it or dislike it. for me it was the only act that stood out (as a winner), the standard this year was a bit deceptive/average with other years, even though almost everyone in the final performed very well.

 

[mickz]

It was just revealed that Lisbon is not a definitive host city. Porto hasn't been contacted yet, but Santa Maria da Feira, Guimarães and Faro are all willing to host the contest in 2018.

Santa Maria da Feira has Europarque (as big as Kyiv's arena), Guimarães has Pavilhão Multiusos (really small) and Faro has two arenas (none of them is even close to have the capacity to host the show). In the end, I'm pretty sure it's going to be Lisbon, but Porto and Pavilhão Rosa Mota, which is going through a rehabilitation process, are real contenders as well.

To be honest, I'm just extremely happy with our victory and with the fact that Portugal is hosting next year!

 

[Ezio]

One of the great things of winning eurovision, i'm finding out now, is that post eurovision depression doesn't really set in. For one thing, you want this "post" moment to last.

That's true. I didn't suffer from PED neither after 2014 until after ESC 2015.

 

[Labra]

"Excuse me" beautiful album

https://www.last.fm/pl/music/Salvador+Sobral/_/Ready+For+Love+Again

 

[Deleted member 15618]

Salvador is soaring through the Spotify charts!

#1 and rising on the World Spotify Viral Charts- now THAT is how you prove that Eurovision is coming through!
#7 and rising on the Australian Viral Charts- which is amazing considering how our chart never ever has a vintage song that is not contemporary and not on radio
Total Spotify plays: 2,025,907. What a contrast to the 300,000 that I saw last.

 

[esc87fan]

I found the song on the iTunes chart here in Canada - he's #182 overall!

 

[Laepo1]

I ready somewhere that even with the old voting system he would break the points record..is it true? and how does it work? (sorry if someone posted about it, couldnt find it in this thread)

 

[ParadiseES]

I ready somewhere that even with the old voting system he would break the points record..is it true? and how does it work? (sorry if someone posted about it, couldnt find it in this thread)

Check this -> http://escunited.com/forum/threads/16204-The-most-voted-entries-(2009-2017)/page2

 

[FilipFromSweden]

To me it's so crazy he's holding the record of most points ever (when you pick up the 2015 and past entries and use the same method) when his odds was never close to Fransesco's, it slowly started sinking but it was never that low until after semi-final 1

 

[Dark]

There's an old woman there with a poster that says "Salvador, you made my childhood dream came true!"

 

[joao]

And what about this 89 year old lady?

Sooooooooo cute!

http://www.jn.pt/artes/videos/inter...-ao-aeroporto-felicitar-salvador-8477560.html

 

[LakZaNokte]

I have listened to the song a few times and rewatched the performance but I have to say I cannot understand why so many people are emotionally touched by this song. I haven't looked up the lyrics but most people in Europe cannot understand them anyway, so that should not be the reason.
...

Well, I'm looking at all this from different angle.

First time I heard this song my first thought was "well, this could've been in 1st esc just as well". Seriously, that really was my first thought 2
And that really is so, this song really does sound like the ones 50, 60 years ago.

Esc isn't only about the music. It's also politics and general sociology. Nothing ever happens here simply "by chance".
During history, music styles have changed through centuries and every time with some bigger point behind it. Now we're faster and it works in decades, even years.

The question is: why did european audience go for something extremly classic and simple and basically timeless? Something that might as well have been in 1st esc?

 

[JonnyWest]

An Alternate Universe: Eurovision 2017 Under the Old Voting System

Portugal got 417 points in the old system, out of a total of 492

2017 Portugal – Salvador 85%
2016 Ukraine – Jamala 57%
2015 Sweden – Mans 78%
2014 Austria – Conchita 67%
2013 Denmark – Emelie 62%
2012 Sweden – Loreen 76%
2011 Azerbaijan – Eli/Nikki 44%
2010 Germany – Lena 54%
2009 Norway – A. Rybak 79%
2008 Russia – Dima 54%
………
2001 Estonia – Padar… 75%
2000 Denmark – Olsens 71%
1997 UK- Katrina 79%
1994 Ireland – Rock’n Roll kids 78%
1986 Belgium – Sandra Kim 77%
1982 Germany – Nicole 79%
1976 UK – Brotherhood of Man – 80%

1975 – start of 12-10-8 points system

 

[Laepo1]

An Alternate Universe: Eurovision 2017 Under the Old Voting System

Portugal got 417 points in the old system, out of a total of 492

2017 Portugal – Salvador 85%
2016 Ukraine – Jamala 57%
2015 Sweden – Mans 78%
2014 Austria – Conchita 67%
2013 Denmark – Emelie 62%
2012 Sweden – Loreen 76%
2011 Azerbaijan – Eli/Nikki 44%
2010 Germany – Lena 54%
2009 Norway – A. Rybak 79%
2008 Russia – Dima 54%
………
2001 Estonia – Padar… 75%
2000 Denmark – Olsens 71%
1997 UK- Katrina 79%
1994 Ireland – Rock’n Roll kids 78%
1986 Belgium – Sandra Kim 77%
1982 Germany – Nicole 79%
1976 UK – Brotherhood of Man – 80%

1975 – start of 12-10-8 points system

wow, never thought that this could happen. and with a song in portuguese...

 

[Schlagerman1]

It feels like a dream what happened this weekend...is it really true that I will see an Eurovision Song Contest live from Lisbon next year? Did really Portugal win, or was it all just a dream? Did really this beautiful song, that could easily be competing in 1956 even, really win in 2017? I don't know if it is the PED that is talking, but I feel completly in shock...I could only imagine how the Portuguese feels after all this... xballon

 

[Chorizo]

You are free to not like the song, but to say he won just because of his "hipster charm" is just total nonsense. Did it occur to you that people just loved the song and the performance? Just because you didn't "get it", doesn't mean others can't.

You seem to think it's not my favorite because I don't understand how great that song is. lol
People have different preferences, that's all. The song has a hipster charm because it is so absurdly disconnected from modern music. That's why it won. It stood out because it's so dated and his mannerism drew attention. That's what the hipster charm I was referring to is all about. You might not want to call it "hipster charm" but what I described is what drew attention to the song.
I didn't say that I don't like the song. I put it in my own top 10, just not near the top.

Btw have you changed your mind about the relevance of having a huge stage now?

 

[Chorizo]

Well, I'm looking at all this from different angle.

First time I heard this song my first thought was "well, this could've been in 1st esc just as well". Seriously, that really was my first thought 2
And that really is so, this song really does sound like the ones 50, 60 years ago.

Esc isn't only about the music. It's also politics and general sociology. Nothing ever happens here simply "by chance".
During history, music styles have changed through centuries and every time with some bigger point behind it. Now we're faster and it works in decades, even years.

The question is: why did european audience go for something extremly classic and simple and basically timeless? Something that might as well have been in 1st esc?

Why do some hipsters buy an instant camera to take a picture of their record player although taking a photo with a smartphone and streaming music is more practical and provides better quality? There is a certain charm to these old-fashioned things that we don't have in daily life anymore. APD works in the same way. It is charming in contrast to modern songs with elaborate staging. For most people a song like this only works in contrast to modern mainstream music. It would lose its appeal if all music were in this style. If people wanted a song like APD to be representative of contemporary music instead of a big exception, this kind of music would be played on mainstream radio stations and dominate the charts. That's clearly not the case. This approach worked once but I doubt that next year's winner will be similar.

 

[Edward]

Definitely a hipster factor helped and a lot. I wouldn't connect it so much to the song itself however, rather the performer. The song might sound classic but there is nothing classic about Salvador. He's as much as a modern hipster can get. If he was this tidy contained conservative type that is usually associated with this type of music he wouldn't have gotten anywhere near where he did.
This song would have not existed without Luísa's sensibility and musical education since Salvador would have never in his life been able to write a song like this, that I know for sure. He's a very genuine performer but this song is not his true face. So I can't help feeling that people are kind of being led on by some non-factual "truths".

I think Portuguese press helped a lot at the beginning because they wanted to throw at everyone's face how different and special this song was, even if we had not won. We Portuguese are known for being a proud bunch and whenever we fail internationally it is always because "the world does not gets us" (kind of like what I'm seeing now with the Italian results).

Older fans of the contest were also a contributing factor, this song was for older people connected to the contest a way of protesting against what Eurovision has become.

Bookmakers picked on the hype and contributed a lot as well.

As much as I'm a happy Portuguese winning ESC fan I'm not buying we won because suddenly the world woke up again to the charms of more classic sound textures. There's an important sociological context associated with this victory obviously.

I'll save the beautiful arrangements and words for myself. Also the thrill of having my country in the positive spotlight at last. But I'm keen on quickly forgetting all of the "anti" hatred, the fast food (ah) trendy fans bandwagon and all of the hype that comes along with it.

It is a beautiful piece of music that got rather pulled out of context. As much as I understand the historical moment we are living around here right now I definitely am not a fan of the song being played 24/7 everywhere.

The particular phenomena of whole Portugal suddenly embracing Eurovision feels very fake to me. Obviously what is being embraced at the utmost is success. Eurovision was (and will remain) this niche thing around here, moreso than in any other Western European country. The connection of the majority of the Portuguese population to the contest will never be at level with, say, Sweden's (with all the good and bad that can bring). What I really dislike is that all these sudden "fans" of Eurovision patting the true fans on the back right now will be the first ones turning their backs on everything once we get back to flopping. And then Eurovision will be seen as it has always been as the mainly around here - something cheesy and unimportant that only "gays and weirdos care for". It's easy to tell that a lot of that people at the airport reception were just there because it was the "it" moment.

I honestly do not believe Salvador will build that big of a career in the future. Just look at past ESC winners. Most keep their international cred alive by hanging on to the ESC circle as firmly as possible. And Salvador already let us all know that he's too cool to hang on to the contest. Maybe it'll hit him in a few years time how wrong he was.

Again, nothing really in particular against Salvador but I just dislike that this beautiful song will go down on Europe's collective memory as "that one year the quirky odd acting guy" won. I'd prefer to think the song really touched people as much as they are claiming it did but unfortunately this is yet just another case of the cover of the book taking all of the credit for the contents within.

 

[ScarlettGirl]

Too much cuteness Salvador