Portugal PORTUGAL 2017 - Salvador Sobral - Amar pelos dois

[ParadiseES]

One ESCUnited mansion, Big Brother style

YAS! I'm totally in!

 

[Chorizo]

I have listened to the song a few times and rewatched the performance but I have to say I cannot understand why so many people are emotionally touched by this song. I haven't looked up the lyrics but most people in Europe cannot understand them anyway, so that should not be the reason. I think the song from Hungary was more emotional and authentic.

I'm also not so sure his mannerism is just an expression of his feelings as many people think. It looks to me like he is acting this way because he realized it's popular and expected of him. He is quirky to please the crowd. It doesn't look authentic to me. A soon as the song is over, he looks completely unemotional. His performance doesn't look more authentic to me than the performance of many others.

Overall I think it just won because of its hipster retro charm. Next year we will get a flood of ballads making it more likely that the winner will be an uptempo song that stands out among the ballads. Of course, it's okay for retro hipster charm to win the contest. I'm just surprised people think it's that authentic. The behavior ebited by Salvador when he isn't singing is certainly not supporting the idea that it's all about real emotions and love for music. That just seems to be what people want to see in it.

Then he is also pretty arrogant and full of himself. I suppose we shouldn't expect him to take part in future interval acts that will feature previous winners considering that he thinks Eurovision is actually beneath him. I would have preferred a winner that is truly happy about winning Eurovision. I think it meant a lot to Conchita and Jamala, for example, and the Swedes always want to win anyway.

 

[lacrymea]

[MENTION=13781]Chorizo[/MENTION]

I vigorously disagree with most of your post, but i guess we all have different opinions and perspectives.

So, you think the way he performs is to please the crowd... because he knows people like it? Really? This comming from a guy that was accused several times of saying things that were politically incorrect and could rub people the wrong way? That's just incoherent. If there's one thing we can't accuse Salvador of is to be a crowd pleaser. C'mon! He's the complete opposite of that.

Go and watch his multiple performances before comming to Eurovision. When he was virtually a Jon Doe acting in underground clubs and no one gave a shit about him. That's his way of feeling the music. Some people appreciate it, others think it's weird. He received a lot of hate in social media due to that and could tone it down to please everyone. Guess what, he didn't. That's who he is, whether people like him or not.

I don't think he is arrogant either, but i do admit he can be quite inconvenient at times, cause he has no filters and says whatever comes to mind. And he already stated that's a fault. So i can understand people resenting stuff he says. The thing is: is it terribly wrong to speak our mind in public? Or is it only ok on the internet?

About winning Eurovision... Yeah, it's not his world. It was not a long life goal or dream. He didn't even know what it was prior to participating. We all know that.
So what? Maybe that was the refreshing part of it all. He came there to sing a song and do his thing. Nothing more, nothing less.

People focused too much on the winning speech (which i liked, by the way, at least it was honest and came from a genuine place) and said he didn't thank anyone for what happened. And that's a lie. When the results came, he thanked and applauded his fellow artists around that were cheering him. When he stepped on stage, he thanked the crowd several times.

And you know what else he did? This full of himself guy that doesn't act off stage like it's all about the music? He was the first ESC winner ever to share the stage with the composer and to salute the person that did the musical arrangements in the end.

 

[Laepo1]

I guess he genuinely didn't care much about eurovision. He probably just did it to get a jump start on his career in Portugal or as a favor to his sister.

I don't think it ever occurred to him that he could winning Festival da Canção, let alone the whole damn competition, that said: he wasn't prepared to deal with the attention or to give speeches and he just went with the flow. He himself admitted he didn't knew how to deal with all that was happening, and I don't think he could grasp what is happening, his sister has been much more euphoric that him. It doesn't make him ungrateful, he did after all, share the stage with his sister at he national final and at eurovision! who would do that??

 

[realist]

Dear Portugal,

I am happy for you, and I am also happy with the winner!

Before the contest, Portugal was not my favourite. But overall I am glad its Portugal next year.
Maybe more songs will be in their own languages now?

btw. I am going to Portimao this year for few days to relax. Where would you like to see ESC2018 be hosted in? MEO Arena in Lisbon?

 

[Laepo1]

Dear Portugal,

I am happy for you, and I am also happy with the winner!

Before the contest, Portugal was not my favourite. But overall I am glad its Portugal next year.
Maybe more songs will be in their own languages now?

btw. I am going to Portimao this year for few days to relax. Where would you like to see ESC2018 be hosted in? MEO Arena in Lisbon?

thanks

I think Meo Arena is the only option... if I'm not wrong, it's the only venue that meets the requirements.

 

[randajad]

Then he is also pretty arrogant and full of himself. I suppose we shouldn't expect him to take part in future interval acts that will feature previous winners considering that he thinks Eurovision is actually beneath him. I would have preferred a winner that is truly happy about winning Eurovision. I think it meant a lot to Conchita and Jamala, for example, and the Swedes always want to win anyway.

I agree with this part. But, overall the song is fantastic, and the performance was simpe, but impressive and I am happy it won. It was not my favourite of the year tho.

 

[Dark]

Hi guys, I joined this forum after the Portuguese Nacional Finals (I'm Portuguese) and only now decided to write something here (hey, better now than never, right?)

First of all I want you to know that for the last 8 years or so I didn't care about Eurovision even though I watched every year when I was younger (I'm 30 now). I didn't even watch Festival da Canção anymore. The reason for it is simply because I knew my country would not do well on the contest even if our represents were good (I really liked "Senhora do Mar" e "Todas as Ruas do Amor"). And let's be honest, in more recent years we didn't even try to send a good song.

This year, however, was diferent. Sure, at first I didn't gave a s**** for the first semi-final of Festival da Canção (when Salvador performed), but after seen so much drama around the festival I had to see what was going on. For the first time the language ruled was broken but only 2 songs were in english and the jury didn't vote for them (to be truthful they weren't bad and deserved a better place). Instead, the jury voted for a slow Portuguese song again, a boring, dated balad, sang by a weird quirky guy.

And, oh my god, I fell in love.

Never in my life I voted in Festival da Canção, but I was so afraid the public would not get behind this song that I had to show my support and spend 60 cents plus taxes (and I think alot of people did this too because he was 3rd in the televote in the semi-final and 2nd in the final).

After he won I was eager to see the europe reaction to this music and I was really excited to see many positive comments. I joined this forum, learn a lot of the eurovision world (I didn't even know there were bets lol), I heard the others contries songs, read blogs, saw live streams, etc. I can say that Eurovision was a part of my life for 2 months.

Saturday night came and I was so nervous for Portugal! A tinny part of me thought that it could flop just like a douzen of Portugueses entries before. I didn't want to have all the portuguese people that didn't suport Salvador to bash him and Festival da Canção saying "I was right, our music sucks! We should have send an uptbeat music in English!"

But guess what? Portugal won!

Yes, Portugal! A very small country with only one neighbor, that doesn't have any political influence in europe, never won Eurovision in 50 years, never even had a top 5, sends a song in portuguese and won. Not only that but the live crowd were shouting for Portugal in the end!

Seriously I've never felt so proud to be Portuguese. My football team won the Portuguese Championship on the same day and I didn't even cared loool.

Thank you all for supporting us and thank you hatters for making the discussion more interesting . You were all a part of my eurovision journey and I don't want it to end, so I think I will be more active here.

I hope you can all come to Portugal, is a beautiful country and I want to meet you! I will try to be there myself

Sorry for the long post.

#lisbon2018

 

[ScarlettGirl]

Hi guys, I joined this forum after the Portuguese Nacional Finals (I'm Portuguese) and only now decided to write something here (hey, better now than never, right?)

First of all I want you to know that for the last 8 years or so I didn't care about Eurovision even though I watched every year when I was younger (I'm 30 now). I didn't even watch Festival da Canção anymore. The reason for it is simply because I knew my country would not do well on the contest even if our represents were good (I really liked "Senhora do Mar" e "Todas as Ruas do Amor"). And let's be honest, in more recent years we didn't even try to send a good song.


This year, however, was diferent. Sure, at first I didn't gave a s**** for the first semi-final of Festival da Canção (when Salvador performed), but after seen so much drama around the festival I had to see what was going on. For the first time the language ruled was broken but only 2 songs were in english and the jury didn't vote for them (to be truthful they weren't bad and deserved a better place). Instead, the jury voted for a slow Portuguese song again, a boring, dated balad, sang by a weird quirky guy.

And, oh my god, I fell in love.

Never in my life I voted in Festival da Canção, but I was so afraid the public would not get behind this song that I had to show my support and spend 60 cents plus taxes (and I think alot of people did this too because he was 3rd in the televote in the semi-final and 2nd in the final).

After he won I was eager to see the europe reaction to this music and I was really excited to see many positive comments. I joined this forum, learn a lot of the eurovision world (I didn't even know there were bets lol), I heard the others contries songs, read blogs, saw live streams, etc. I can say that Eurovision was a part of my life for 2 months.

Saturday night came and I was so nervous for Portugal! A tinny part of me thought that it could flop just like a douzen of Portugueses entries before. I didn't want to have all the portuguese people that didn't suport Salvador to bash him and Festival da Canção saying "I was right, our music sucks! We should have send an uptbeat music in English!"

But guess what? Portugal won!

Yes, Portugal! A very small country with only one neighbor, that doesn't have any political influence in europe, never won Eurovision in 50 years, never even had a top 5, sends a song in portuguese and won. Not only that but the live crowd were shouting for Portugal in the end!

Seriously I've never felt so proud to be Portuguese. My football team won the Portuguese Championship on the same day and I didn't even cared loool.

Thank you all for supporting us and thank you hatters for making the discussion more interesting . You were all a part of my eurovision journey and I don't want it to end, so I think I will be more active here.

I hope you can all come to Portugal, is a beautiful country and I want to meet you! I will try to be there myself

Sorry for the long post.

#lisbon2018

Yay, new members

 

[Carlotta]

Hi guys, I joined this forum after the Portuguese Nacional Finals (I'm Portuguese) and only now decided to write something here (hey, better now than never, right?)

First of all I want you to know that for the last 8 years or so I didn't care about Eurovision even though I watched every year when I was younger (I'm 30 now). I didn't even watch Festival da Canção anymore. The reason for it is simply because I knew my country would not do well on the contest even if our represents were good (I really liked "Senhora do Mar" e "Todas as Ruas do Amor"). And let's be honest, in more recent years we didn't even try to send a good song.

This year, however, was diferent. Sure, at first I didn't gave a s**** for the first semi-final of Festival da Canção (when Salvador performed), but after seen so much drama around the festival I had to see what was going on. For the first time the language ruled was broken but only 2 songs were in english and the jury didn't vote for them (to be truthful they weren't bad and deserved a better place). Instead, the jury voted for a slow Portuguese song again, a boring, dated balad, sang by a weird quirky guy.

And, oh my god, I fell in love.

Never in my life I voted in Festival da Canção, but I was so afraid the public would not get behind this song that I had to show my support and spend 60 cents plus taxes (and I think alot of people did this too because he was 3rd in the televote in the semi-final and 2nd in the final).

After he won I was eager to see the europe reaction to this music and I was really excited to see many positive comments. I joined this forum, learn a lot of the eurovision world (I didn't even know there were bets lol), I heard the others contries songs, read blogs, saw live streams, etc. I can say that Eurovision was a part of my life for 2 months.

Saturday night came and I was so nervous for Portugal! A tinny part of me thought that it could flop just like a douzen of Portugueses entries before. I didn't want to have all the portuguese people that didn't suport Salvador to bash him and Festival da Canção saying "I was right, our music sucks! We should have send an uptbeat music in English!"

But guess what? Portugal won!

Yes, Portugal! A very small country with only one neighbor, that doesn't have any political influence in europe, never won Eurovision in 50 years, never even had a top 5, sends a song in portuguese and won. Not only that but the live crowd were shouting for Portugal in the end!

Seriously I've never felt so proud to be Portuguese. My football team won the Portuguese Championship on the same day and I didn't even cared loool.

Thank you all for supporting us and thank you hatters for making the discussion more interesting . You were all a part of my eurovision journey and I don't want it to end, so I think I will be more active here.

I hope you can all come to Portugal, is a beautiful country and I want to meet you! I will try to be there myself

Sorry for the long post.

#lisbon2018

Hehe, sounds almost like my own story. Apart from me not even being Portuguese. (And therefore joined team Salvador only after FdC.)

 

[94ayd]

So happy gets to host on their 50th participation, makes it even more special.

 

[0scar]

I'm not that fond of Salvador either but luckily it's the song that won and not the performer. His sister seems lovely though.

 

[goncalovieira]

RTP confirmed.
ESC will be in Lisbon and likely in MEO Arena!

 

[QwaarJet]

I have listened to the song a few times and rewatched the performance but I have to say I cannot understand why so many people are emotionally touched by this song. I haven't looked up the lyrics but most people in Europe cannot understand them anyway, so that should not be the reason. I think the song from Hungary was more emotional and authentic.

I'm also not so sure his mannerism is just an expression of his feelings as many people think. It looks to me like he is acting this way because he realized it's popular and expected of him. He is quirky to please the crowd. It doesn't look authentic to me. A soon as the song is over, he looks completely unemotional. His performance doesn't look more authentic to me than the performance of many others.

Overall I think it just won because of its hipster retro charm. Next year we will get a flood of ballads making it more likely that the winner will be an uptempo song that stands out among the ballads. Of course, it's okay for retro hipster charm to win the contest. I'm just surprised people think it's that authentic. The behavior ebited by Salvador when he isn't singing is certainly not supporting the idea that it's all about real emotions and love for music. That just seems to be what people want to see in it.

Then he is also pretty arrogant and full of himself. I suppose we shouldn't expect him to take part in future interval acts that will feature previous winners considering that he thinks Eurovision is actually beneath him. I would have preferred a winner that is truly happy about winning Eurovision. I think it meant a lot to Conchita and Jamala, for example, and the Swedes always want to win anyway.

You are free to not like the song, but to say he won just because of his "hipster charm" is just total nonsense. Did it occur to you that people just loved the song and the performance? Just because you didn't "get it", doesn't mean others can't.

 

[joao]

Hahaha woah! If only Norwegians had been that crazy when Rybak won
Although, he could barley get out of the airport

Portuguese people can be pretty crazy xD

 

[joao]

RTP also confirmed FdC 2018! It will be done like in 2017. Invitation to composers and two semi finals

 

[ScarlettGirl]

RTP confirmed.
ESC will be in Lisbon and likely in MEO Arena!

The MEO Arena pretty much seems like only possibility.
Same thing when Norway hosted, Telenor Arena was pretty much the only thing that fitted. So if we ever win again in the near future (which I highly doubt...), then Telenor Arena

 

[Dark]

Luísa did an oficial interview to the Eurovision youtube channel.

She basically said the same thing as Salvador, she just choose better words for it.

 

[i anixi]

One of the great things of winning eurovision, i'm finding out now, is that post eurovision depression doesn't really set in. For one thing, you want this "post" moment to last. You're everything but anxious for it to go away and enter a new year. For another, there's so many things to think about and to discuss and to look forward to regarding the fact that next eurovision will feature on your doorstep. You're sure you're going to hear about it here and there in the most improbable places, in the news, in the papers, at work, among your acquaintances when you least expect it. It suddenly becomes something that came out of an imaginary bubble to make part of daily routine and everybody's lives. What an earthquake.

Besides. I'm always quite happy when a song outside the usual eurovision format wins the contest. That's my thing. Much more so, comprehensibly, when I actually love the song in question. The added bonus of it belonging to your own country is a joy that lies in the regions of the impossible, the fantastic. The kind of thing that of course doesn't ever happen to you. Am I to wake up and discover it was all a dream? I guess not. The glow of this screen feels only too real. Oh, these sure are some happy, glorious days



(By the way, has anyone seen Gianluca? Is he still aliv... errm, around? It might be just a tiny wee bit mean of me, but hey, what the hell, I would so love to see his face )

Cheers to all of you!!

 

[CaspianMortis]

I have listened to this song a couple of times now and I cannot understand the appeal of it.

It sounds very boring and I almost fell asleep to it during the final.

This sounds stupid but I'm gonna say this year's contest was a disaster.