Ooohh, you're bad! xshhh
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A-lister
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Firstly it's the broadcaster's economy and budget that is of importance here, secondly if poor countries like Moldova and Georgia can be in, so can Spain... same goes for Greece. Seems people have weird perspectives, all this pity-talk for some countries while totally overlooking that there are countries far worse off that already confirmed participation.
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That's a contradiction and a non sequitur.
If we're focussing on the broadcaster's economy, then you can't compare the wealth of nations separate from the broadcaster.
We don't know the financial status of broadcasters from Moldova and Georgia - they might be fully capable of covering the costs of ESC moreso than a country like Spain at this time. Just because they can cover the costs, doesn't automatically mean that the Spanish broadcaster should be able to - their financial situation might be completely different.
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Well, I know it was a bit of a contradiction, but then again not exactly... public broadcaster's are publically funded so yeah, there could be a connection between the economical state of the country to some extent, I'm not denying that, it's a bit complex in that sense.
But then again, I doubt for instance the Georgian or Moldovan broadcaster's are in fact richer than the Spanish one, I mean just look at the quality of their shows compared to the Spanish ones, it's quite telling these broadcaster's are poorer. It's all about priorities really. In some countries the broadcaster's get private help or the budgets are simply focused on ESC (with perhaps some extra help from the states in some cases).
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It is complex so we don't really know. The Spanish broadcaster might find it more viable to direct their funds to regular programming for a year while they consolidate whatever debts they might have.
The Georgian and Moldovan broadcasters are by no means richer than the Spanish broadcaster - like you said you can see based on the quality of their programming, but with their higher quality of programming, the Spanish broadcaster likely has a lot more expenses to cover. I agree about the priorities each broadcaster has - it will dictate their willingness to spend money on ESC.
Broadcasters should also consider how much it will cost to replace 7+ hours of programming that ESC provides them with and whether it would be beneficial for them to pay for that versus fund their own programming. In some instances, replacing ESC might cost them more. Of course any broadcaster can fill the slot with any programming but ratings are what everyone is usually after.
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Well, we're pretty much in agreement.
What I reacted at before was everyone going 'Oh Greece/Spain is in such a crisis, pity for them, now they won't make it' without realizing that a) broadcasters' priorities and budgets are what counts and b) there are countries far worse off that still confirmed but there's no 'pity' talk there.
dragvision
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la sexta a commercial spanish tv, has announced the possibilty tve are vitrew from esc
alca
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Spain confirmed! Spain confirms participation in Malmö | esctoday.com
Who's left?and
We are waiting news from Slovenia,Bosnia,Greece and Montenegro.
alca
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Greece is in! We found sponsors. The news is posted on various blogs and websites out there but yeah, we should wait and see.
Quent91
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rajo
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Helsinki 2007 had 42 countries.
Finland is not part of the inner Scandinavian circle, it leans more to the Baltic states, especially Estonia and has some ties with Sweden, but gets already smack-bottomed by Denmark, when it comes to voting. The Danish consistently ignore the Finnish.
Bosnia and Herzegovina will not be in Malmö: Bosnia and Herzegovina will not be in Malmö | esctoday.com | your daily eurovision centre
vatroslav_cro
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Well, this is really alarming now.....
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