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I like this idea, the United Kingdom and pre-qualified nations might get picked to go at the end! :D
:/ Which they might get now aswell, only difference now it would be unbiased and fair... well democracy is not for everyone apparently... xshrug

True. I am sure Adam is a nice person but those blind over the top pro-British/western nationalist comments sometimes make me wonder if it is in truth not all mockery or so. :lol:
 

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i just caught up with all the latest news and omg :lol:

ok, don't really care about 1 host thing xshrug

no LED...i REALLY hope they will have some soert of new technology or whatever cause i don't want "retro" stage. for me, in this case, "retro" means poor. not to mention the fact that one of my very early suggestions for a new stage was just one gigantic screen and maybe couple of decorations or something on the side xrofl2

and last but not least - running order.
seriously? :?
SERIOUSLY???
have they completely lost it? u can't have crap like that. whatever happens, at least half of the participants will blame it on those "producers" and running order. yes, delegation will cry and whine but that's not important.
if audience will think those running orders are rigged in favor of some u will start to lose that audience. and frankly, why not, who would want to watch some completely rigged bs? i am seriously hoping this will turn out to be some sort of experiment that will be stopped in a year ot two. really. cause i fear the worst - begining of the end xshrug
 

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I support the idea of not having LEDs very much. Norway was the best ESC without LEDs, and also the ESC of the 90's were classier.
There is too much emphasis on cool visualisations and you could see how the countries elaborated on them this year. And still, those countries with less LED got more points (Sweden, Serbia, Albania, Germany, Spain).

The LED shows in 2011 were a complete mess btw. and very annoying. Countries couldn't handle it at all.

I also kinda support a good mix of ballads and up-tempo song, but I strongly disapprove of the way Sweden is going to deal with it.

It can't be too difficult to allocate songs randomly, f.e. odd slots are for uptempo songs, even slots are for ballads. There is no need for SVT to deliberately pick songs for specific slots. In case there is no perfect split between ballad and pop songs, we can secure some lucky slots towards the end of draw.

When the UEFA groups are drawn, there is also a computer assistance, which provides for that a Spanish club doesn't meet another Spanish club in the same group, and the Spanish clubs are evenly divided and do not play all on the same day at the same time.

So, this could easily be applied to Eurovision too.

Good mix - YES
Deliberateness - NO!!!
 

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I support the idea of not having LEDs very much. Norway was the best ESC without LEDs, and also the ESC of the 90's were classier.
There is too much emphasis on cool visualisations and you could see how the countries elaborated on them this year. And still, those countries with less LED got more points (Sweden, Serbia, Albania, Germany, Spain).

The LED shows in 2011 were a complete mess btw. and very annoying. Countries couldn't handle it at all.

I also kinda support a good mix of ballads and up-tempo song, but I strongly disapprove of the way Sweden is going to deal with it.

It can't be too difficult to allocate songs randomly, f.e. odd slots are for uptempo songs, even slots are for ballads. There is no need for SVT to deliberately pick songs for specific slots. In case there is no perfect split between ballad and pop songs, we can secure some lucky slots towards the end of draw.

When the UEFA groups are drawn, there is also a computer assistance, which provides for that a Spanish club doesn't meet another Spanish club in the same group, and the Spanish clubs are evenly divided and do not play all on the same day at the same time.

So, this could easily be applied to Eurovision too.

Good mix - YES
Deliberateness - NO!!!

I agree with the draw idea, but not about LEDS. I mean it's not as if countries are FORCED to use the LEDS now (as you mentioned some examples), but atleast they CAN use it if they want to. Now everything will look same-y, and I prefer diversity. I'd rather have the countries have more say than now being forced to do without LEDS. I don't get why dated is 'classier'? Are people afraid of technology or what?
 

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I'm not so much into the visual stuff, a song is good if it is still enjoyable with shut eyes. A lot of bling bling, ass and boobs don't help a song getting better.

And there are countries which really tend to exaggerate their performances on pretty poor songs, best examples: Ukraine, Greece.

Norway 2010 was so nice and decent.. A really enjoyable contest, best songs, best performances, best breaks and all without LED screen, just beautiful, atmospheric lights.

Of course, something like Copenhagen 2001 isn't very classy either, but the stage design was very poor.
 

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I'm not so much into the visual stuff, a song is good if it is still enjoyable with shut eyes. A lot of bling bling, ass and boobs don't help a song getting better.

And there are countries which really tend to exaggerate their performances on pretty poor songs, best examples: Ukraine, Greece.

Norway 2010 was so nice and decent.. A really enjoyable contest, best songs, best performances, best breaks and all without LED screen, just beautiful, atmospheric lights.

Of course, something like Copenhagen 2001 isn't very classy either, but the stage design was very poor.

Well, I agree that the song is the most important thing here (afterall it's a song contest), but it's also a TV show and if we were only in it for the songs (and not the performances) then it would have been cheaper and easier to make it a radio show then don't you think? xshrug

Part of what makes ESC what it is is sort of the over-the-top extravagant show. I think people underrate the effort in making good performances, there's also a certain entertainment value for us the viewers in that and some actually put alot of effort in this and it shouldn't be regarded as nonsense. I don't get this notion that putting up a show = kitsch... why? can someone explain this to me because I don't see it this way. Surely not all songs need (or benefit) from a show, but some songs do (like the uptempo ones) or you want ESC with only ballads and singer-song writer type of songs where they just stand there?

I thought the Norwegian show was pretty weak tbh.
 

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Members of the International Eurovision Fan Club OGAE have today been informed that the floor area in Malmö Arena will be standing room only for the 2013 Eurovision Song Contest. In a departure from previous years there will be no seating available at all on the floor of the arena, and this will enable the organisers to get more people into the arena. This is probably also part of how SVT and EBU are planning to bring the fans in the audience back into the heart of the contest.
The flag waving and colourful fan area in front of the stage was first introduced in 1998 in Birmingham, when the organisers from BBC gave members of the fan clubs a chance to get their own ticket allocation for the televised final. This approach was abandoned for one year in 1999, as the venue in Israel was too small, only for it to return fully fledged in Stockholm in 2000, when SVT last organised the song contest. Now it seems the fan crowds will have standing room only at the front of the stage, while those wanting to sit down would have to book their tickets via the normal outlets.
Ever since the demand for fan club tickets have grown steadily and the allocation has been oversubscribed most years. The biggest quota of fan tickets was in Düsseldorf, where 2000 tickets were sold to members of the international fan clubs. It is expected around the same number, or even bigger, may be getting standing room only tickets in Malmö in May next year. Maiken Mäemets, President for OGAE International, tells esctoday.com that after SVT first offered the standing room tickets for the fans, there were some negotiations to get seated areas reinstated, but eventually it was decided to try this sort of arrangement at least for one year. The whole floor area will be available to OGAE members only, she says, and the pricing of the tickets is still under negotiation, and there is no indication there would be any significant rise in the price level. We also have wonderful other plans for arrangements in the host city and the Euroclub for the fans, so even if standing for more than three hours seems like too much, nobody should stay at home for that reason only, Maiken Mäemets concludes on behalf of OGAE International.
It is understood the floor area of Malmö Arena will be divided into three zones, one larger one in the middle and two on the sides. This will follow standard practice in many pop concerts today, where the standing room tickets are often well sought after, and people even queue long in advance of concerts to secure a spot right in front of the stage. It should be safe to assume that the Eurovision fan crowd will not get involved in similar bad behaviour and crushing that have marred some concerts of other musical genres, and the different zones will divide people more evenly. It will however be the first time in the history of the Eurovision Song Contest, when there are visible standing crowds in the audience. Screaming fans are neither no novelty in the song contest: already in 1968 groups of fans supporting Cliff Richard can be heard from the top tiers of Royal Albert Hall in London, even if never seen on the televised output.
 

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As part of OGAE I don't like the standing only option at all. And I don't think it's actually legal. In most countries venues are required to provide seating areas to those with health issues so this is something that needs to be addressed.
 

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I must say it is getting a bit out of hand. And I'm the first to support progress to keep things fresh but what about boundries? Sigh...
 

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I really hope SVT is taking some of that criticism to heart, they just keep disenfranchising the fans taking them for granted. Sure, you want to make it appealing to all viewers but don't alienate one group of people.
 

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Before anyone says "Sweden worst host ever", do you really think that making people stand in the arena is worse than demolishing people's homes and livelihoods in order to host Eurovision, as happened last year?? :?

Im really liking the Swedes, very innovative with all their fresh ideas! Eurovision was sorta getting stuck in the "same old" syndrome, after the innovations of 2009. Glad that Sweden's remedying this! :D
 

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Before anyone says "Sweden worst host ever", do you really think that making people stand in the arena is worse than demolishing people's homes and livelihoods in order to host Eurovision, as happened last year?? :?

Im really liking the Swedes, very innovative with all their fresh ideas! Eurovision was sorta getting stuck in the "same old" syndrome, after the innovations of 2009. Glad that Sweden's remedying this! :D

Well in terms of the fans then that view might well be justified. The demolishing of the homes had nothing to do with the fans' enjoyment of the contest really.

Regardless I do agree with Matt, it seems that SVT are going for a more TV-friendly set of fans rather than just letting anyone go. Now whatever might be said about agreeing with SVT and the new draw making it a better show, this surely is just pointless. The quality of the contest wouldn't be improved or devalued at all whether they panned to a sea of kangaroos painted in national flags or an audience clapping politely waving the odd small flag at the end of each song. This isn't about putting the audience at the heart of the show at all.

Actually speaking about that, I fail to see how they can simultaneously hijack the running order draw for the purposes of making a better TV show while also making it all about the live audience? Surely making it all about the needs of one group lessens the experience and enjoyment for the other one?
 

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If smaller venues are also fine, Azerbaijan wouldn't have needed their Crystal hall. The Crystal Hall is a hall of shame, but the whole concept for ESC 2013 is a slap in the face as well. Azerbaijan gave us a bloated contest and Sweden is giving us a politically correct contest based on twisted ideas. Sweden, the teacher of the world.
 
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