Malmö is hosting ESC 2013

[LalehForWD]

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What a grumpy whining bunch! If I understand this right, OGAE got VIP tickets for a bargain prize. The only thing is the place doesn't have seats. Perhaps Arena organizers assume you are flag-waving fans and seats aren't necessary and actually more in the way? People with special needs could maybe bring a wheelchair? There is always the possibilty to buy ordinary tickets.

What is the problem?

Let's rename this forum area to "knockers knock"

 

[evilperson]

I really don't see why Sweden is out to solve problems that weren't problems to begin with - and worst of all, they make it seem like they're a godsend to this competition.

This whole mosh pit idea isn't new or ground breaking - who is going to want to stand for approximately 4 hours in a crowded area?
And where is the logic in holding the competition in a smaller venue and then stating that there wont be seats in the most in demand areas of the floor?

Whoever buys these tickets should invest in a folded lawnchair.

I'll say it again, can we just go back to Baku?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I'll say it again, can we just go back to Baku?

No thank you!

 

[evilperson]

^Why not? You didn't like their organization?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

^Why not? You didn't like their organization?

It was the worst and most boring Eurovision since I've been watching :?. No matter what you think of Sweden's plans, at least they are not demolishing people's homes and livelihoods to make way for Eurovision, and at least our broadcasters and press will be able to report freely from Sweden on whatever they feel like reporting on. The BBC had to go undercover last year once criticism of the regime was mentioned. Oh and having hosts able to speak English and French will be a bonus.

 

[Matt]

I really don't see why Sweden is out to solve problems that weren't problems to begin with - and worst of all, they make it seem like they're a godsend to this competition.

This whole mosh pit idea isn't new or ground breaking - who is going to want to stand for approximately 4 hours in a crowded area?
And where is the logic in holding the competition in a smaller venue and then stating that there wont be seats in the most in demand areas of the floor?

Whoever buys these tickets should invest in a folded lawnchair.

I'll say it again, can we just go back to Baku?

That's the whole thing, they claimed that they wanted to bring the artists closer to the audience which is why they chose a smaller venue. But then decided to get rid of thousands of seats to "make up" for that loss. So in the end they want to fit a lot more people into a small arena so they would make a bigger profit. That whole "making it more intimate" talk was a big excuse if you ask me.

 

[evilperson]

It was the worst and most boring Eurovision since I've been watching :?. No matter what you think of Sweden's plans, at least they are not demolishing people's homes and livelihoods to make way for Eurovision, and at least our broadcasters and press will be able to report freely from Sweden on whatever they feel like reporting on. The BBC had to go undercover last year once criticism of the regime was mentioned. Oh and having hosts able to speak English and French will be a bonus.

Well I thought Azerbaijan did a good job in organizing the contest and the stage and production was great.
I don't understand what was boring - the songs? That changes every year.
The interval acts are rarely ever captivating in any country so I can understand that being boring.
Anyway it's a matter of opinion.

Everything else you mentioned is a matter of politics - press was free to report about ESC, that's what they were there to report about.

I really don't mind change, but everything Sweden has proposed so far sounds unnecessary. It's not really change for the better - more so to make things more complicated.
And I really don't like the tone their press releases take, as if they know what's best for everyone. They need to come back down to Earth.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Well I thought Azerbaijan did a good job in organizing the contest and the stage and production was great.
I don't understand what was boring - the songs? That changes every year.
The interval acts are rarely ever captivating in any country so I can understand that being boring.
Anyway it's a matter of opinion.

No, not the songs. The atmosphere was dead. There were hardly any European fans there either. I had moved out from Uni the same day so I was tired anyway, but I fell asleep during the voting it was that boring. No cheering, predictable votes, embarrassing hosts... I certainly didnt get the usual gutted feeling I get when it goes off air, it was more relief!
As for the interval act, no country has ever planted an interval act due to political alliances with the President.

Everything else you mentioned is a matter of politics - press was free to report about ESC, that's what they were there to report about.

I want my broadcaster to be able to report whatever it wants - during the News which comes on before and after Eurovision, they will often do reports from the Eurovision city. Why should they be forced not to mention about the terrors of the dictatorship in power?? That's hardly a good host, in fact, it's censoring our programming. That's the making of a terrible host.

I really don't mind change, but everything Sweden has proposed so far sounds unnecessary. It's not really change for the better - more so to make things more complicated.
And I really don't like the tone their press releases take, as if they know what's best for everyone. They need to come back down to Earth.

I dont like the standing idea myself, but the running order idea I LOVE! Glad that Sweden's got what it takes to do what's right, ignoring all the critics. Sweden's certainly got the making of being a fantastic host, in much contrast to last year.

 

[LalehForWD]

I really don't see why Sweden is out to solve problems that weren't problems to begin with - and worst of all, they make it seem like they're a godsend to this competition.

A man with serious problems with Sweden it seems. But solving "problems" that are not problems? I wonder what that would be. Wait, Swedes appear to think they are "godsend" :? to you? That's interesting, in what way?

I really don't mind change, but everything Sweden has proposed so far sounds unnecessary. It's not really change for the better - more so to make things more complicated. And I really don't like the tone their press releases take, as if they know what's best for everyone. They need to come back down to Earth.

Pretty random and I'm confused. What have Sweden proposed? What changes that are not for the better and just make things more complicated? The "tone" in the press releases? What press releases? Seriously?

 

[A-lister]

I really don't mind change, but everything Sweden has proposed so far sounds unnecessary. It's not really change for the better - more so to make things more complicated.
And I really don't like the tone their press releases take, as if they know what's best for everyone. They need to come back down to Earth.

This! And applause for noting that stick up tone in our press aswell!

 

[evilperson]

I dont like the standing idea myself, but the running order idea I LOVE! Glad that Sweden's got what it takes to do what's right, ignoring all the critics. Sweden's certainly got the making of being a fantastic host, in much contrast to last year.

I don't want to get into discussing Azeri politics - overall that didn't really impact them putting on three entertaining evenings, imo. Of course there were highs and lows like in any year. If you favoured Dusseldorf, then I can use that as an example rather than Baku. But neither Germany nor Azerbaijan took it upon themselves to change the contest.

I don't see why Sweden is held on a pedestal and can decide what is good for the contest and what needs to be changed.
There is too much Scandinavian influence and what works in Scandinavia, may not exactly translate to all of Europe.

A man with serious problems with Sweden it seems. But solving "problems" that are not problems? I wonder what that would be. Wait, Swedes appear to think they are "godsend" :? to you? That's interesting, in what way?

Pretty random and I'm confused. What have Sweden proposed? What changes that are not for the better and just make things more complicated? The "tone" in the press releases? What press releases? Seriously?

I've already commented on the changes in my previous posts, I won't repeat myself again - refer to that.

 

[Galandar]

Before anyone says "Sweden worst host ever", do you really think that making people stand in the arena is worse than demolishing people's homes and livelihoods in order to host Eurovision, as happened last year?? :?

Im really liking the Swedes, very innovative with all their fresh ideas! Eurovision was sorta getting stuck in the "same old" syndrome, after the innovations of 2009. Glad that Sweden's remedying this!

I proved it here so many times... the area around the actual Crystal Hall was demolished some years before we won ESC. The Flag Square was built two years prior to our victory and the site where the Crystal Hall was erected was empty by the time we won ESC. There were some other demolitions but they would had happened even without ESC. The process of expansion of the seaside promenade is still going on. A huge area of Bibi-Heybat (the east coast after the Crystal Hall) is now a construction site. There are ongoing preparations for the same thing in the west coast near the old port of Baku. Whoever lose his/her home got a new apartment or compensation of 1500 AZN per sq m (1 AZN is equal to 1 EUR) which is not bad at all! In other words round we are doing now the thing what Western Europe was doing in the past 50 years namely getting rid of the old wasted parts of cities or your country did not do that with Canary Warf in London and many more? Please correct me if I am wrong!

 

[Galandar]

No, not the songs. The atmosphere was dead. There were hardly any European fans there either. I had moved out from Uni the same day so I was tired anyway, but I fell asleep during the voting it was that boring. No cheering, predictable votes, embarrassing hosts... I certainly didnt get the usual gutted feeling I get when it goes off air, it was more relief!

You were not there so why do you even dare to talk so confidentally about the atmosphere in Baku in May 2012? I was there in Baku and believe me this was unbelievable otherwise I would not so often go from Euroclub and other parties home at 7-8 am in the morning. There was a good number of foreigners, yes true not as many as in Dusseldorf, but overall was good and one could feel a real ESC atmosphere. Nobody felt bored or uninterested.

Not as Azerbaijani but as a fan who visited ESC I can assure that the city was beautiful, weather was nice, there were pretty good conditions for fans at press-center including different activities and even food for free (something which does not usually happen!).

Those who moan will always do so, but the fact is the fact - ESC 2012 was great!

 

[Impressive]

2013 will be like Norway in my opinion. Awful stage... No LEDs? Cold and very official. Must be kind of joke...
I am not acting hopefully about this year. But I hope Sweden will make me suprised.

 

[rajo]

Norway really was rather "formal", but they did what they did very well and I think it was an awesome Song Contest (the great songs that year helped too).

But it proves that the Nordics are not very spirited, they just want it perfect and correct like purists. Especially Sweden comes across condescendant and demagoguery, but the stuffing of a small venue move is not a smart one - pure maximizing of profits being sold as intimate.

Remember Denmark 2001, Sweden 2000 or Sweden 1992? Just purist, unspirited, stiff like a poker contests. Compared to Britain 1998 and Israel 1999 they were a real backlash, the scoreboards sucked ass.

Norway 1996 and Finland 2007 were perfect and fun though.

 

[LalehForWD]

This! And applause for noting that stick up tone in our press aswell!

The magnificent Sockerconny (copyright Joakim Pirinen)

Haha, for this comment to make sense I assume another domestic politics reference to SverigeDemokraterna, which btw in light of recent events actually become hilarious! Oh, I can fully understand you don't like the tone of Swedish media, I just wonder what could be most painful at the moment. Is it when the topboys got caught streetfighting with ironsticks? Or when they attacked the brave girl and called her "little whore"? Or when they flatly denied the whole thing with a dumb unskilled cover up? Every day there's a new story in Expressen to be amused by!

 

[LalehForWD]

I don't see why Sweden is held on a pedestal and can decide what is good for the contest and what needs to be changed. There is too much Scandinavian influence and what works in Scandinavia, may not exactly translate to all of Europe.

held on a pedestal? When and by who?

I've already commented on the changes in my previous posts, I won't repeat myself again - refer to that.

No you didn't, you praised Baku and how terrific it was. I have no objection to that, I'm sure it was wonderful. What are the press releases and changes you're referring to? Or should we take your comment as just random loose talk not to be taken seriously?

Look, I'm no nationalist but when a foreigner is backtalking my country for no apparent reason, I get offended. It's just plain rude. The fact that you back off when confronted makes it worse.

 

[A-lister]

The magnificent Sockerconny (copyright Joakim Pirinen)

Haha, for this comment to make sense I assume another domestic politics reference to SverigeDemokraterna, which btw in light of recent events actually become hilarious! Oh, I can fully understand you don't like the tone of Swedish media, I just wonder what could be most painful at the moment. Is it when the topboys got caught streetfighting with ironsticks? Or when they attacked the brave girl and called her "little whore"? Or when they flatly denied the whole thing with a dumb unskilled cover up? Every day there's a new story in Expressen to be amused by!

Who's being off-topic now?

'attacked brave little girl'? Wow I love how someone can be SO delusional and brainwashed, you should really get a price, you must be a dictatorship's ideal citizen

You mean the young woman calling them racists and other 'nice' words in the video? Yeah, Expressen only show you parts of that video and if anything proves my point about the Swedish media even more ... nice try though, but the only thing you convince me of is that my point is correct

And for your info, the lazy Swedish media didn't caught anything as this was parts of videos sold to the media as an insider-job by someone from SD itself, so don't give the media too much credit for doing much job here, the only thing they did was cutting out the parts fitting their agenda (or maybe it was already copy-pasted for them)

Anyways, you clearly got issues, whatever problems you have don't project them on me every chance you got, I'm really not THAT special so would be nice if you'd stop obsessing over me finally

So now you got your daily rambling and assumptions about my political beliefs as an odd way of defending the Swedish democrature, and I got my response... so shall we go on-topic now instead?

 

[LakZaNokte]

No, not the songs. The atmosphere was dead. There were hardly any European fans there either. I had moved out from Uni the same day so I was tired anyway, but I fell asleep during the voting it was that boring. No cheering, predictable votes, embarrassing hosts... I certainly didnt get the usual gutted feeling I get when it goes off air, it was more relief!
As for the interval act, no country has ever planted an interval act due to political alliances with the President.

predictable votes have nothing to do with the host
actually, it has everything to do with every1 else but the host

as for the hosts and atmosphere...that's a personal opinion. tbh, i didn't notice much either cause i was rambling here in forum in every spare second 2

and interval act in semi 1 was awesome (that's the only one i watched, mainly for reasons already stated )

 

[LalehForWD]

@ A-lister
I think I was polite enough not giving any highly interesting video links and I haven't mentioned this huge debacle before, you must give me that. This is internal Swedish stuff not to be dragged around BMO.