Malmö is hosting ESC 2013

[MyHeartIsYours]

I don't want to get into discussing Azeri politics - overall that didn't really impact them putting on three entertaining evenings, imo. Of course there were highs and lows like in any year. If you favoured Dusseldorf, then I can use that as an example rather than Baku. But neither Germany nor Azerbaijan took it upon themselves to change the contest.

I don't see why Sweden is held on a pedestal and can decide what is good for the contest and what needs to be changed.
There is too much Scandinavian influence and what works in Scandinavia, may not exactly translate to all of Europe.

You might not want to go into Azeri politics, but I do. In any case, freedom is not politics, it's a right, and I dont want there to ever be a Eurovision again in a country where the people arent free. And I was totally proven right last year, because it was such an epic fail of a contest. It was the equivalent of a 1980s Eurovision being held in the Soviet Union.
I wasnt particularly enthused at Dusseldorf's production either, though at least we dont have people being spied on during sex and having their homes demolished around them whilst they're still living there in Germany. Nor did dear Angela Merkel insert her nephew or whatever as the interval act.

Sweden's being a good host by trying to break with the old, Eurovision's so desperately in need of a refresh. Russia made big changes and look at what a great success that contest was. And Norway's Eurovision was my favourite EVER, Im quite confident that Sweden's going repeat their neighbour's success. 2010 was the people's Eurovision, Im sure 2013 will be too.

 

[evilperson]

held on a pedestal? When and by who?

This was a response to the post I quoted.

No you didn't, you praised Baku and how terrific it was. I have no objection to that, I'm sure it was wonderful. What are the press releases and changes you're referring to? Or should we take your comment as just random loose talk not to be taken seriously?

Look, I'm no nationalist but when a foreigner is backtalking my country for no apparent reason, I get offended. It's just plain rude. The fact that you back off when confronted makes it worse.

If you want press releases, check the official eurovision website and the SVT website. They've been coming out on a weekly basis and get picked up by ESC sites as well. I even provided a link for one of them in a previous post. About the changes, I did indeed comment about them in several posts, use your browsing skills.

If you see my comments as an attack on Sweden, I really have nothing more to say to you because you fail to understand what I say. It's useless and a waste of time.
I don't know where I backed off, but I wont be goaded. If you want to a fight about this, go fight someone else.

 

[evilperson]

You might not want to go into Azeri politics, but I do. In any case, freedom is not politics, it's a right, and I dont want there to ever be a Eurovision again in a country where the people arent free. And I was totally proven right last year, because it was such an epic fail of a contest. It was the equivalent of a 1980s Eurovision being held in the Soviet Union.
I wasnt particularly enthused at Dusseldorf's production either, though at least we dont have people being spied on during sex and having their homes demolished around them whilst they're still living there in Germany. Nor did dear Angela Merkel insert her nephew or whatever as the interval act.

Sweden's being a good host by trying to break with the old, Eurovision's so desperately in need of a refresh. Russia made big changes and look at what a great success that contest was. And Norway's Eurovision was my favourite EVER, Im quite confident that Sweden's going repeat their neighbour's success. 2010 was the people's Eurovision, Im sure 2013 will be too.

In all honesty, I don't see a difference in the production between Dusseldorf and Baku - most likely since Germans were responsible for both contests. I'm not sure if you're ignoring my point but politics really didn't have that much of an impact on Azerbaijan's ability to stage the ESC shows. Everything you're saying about Azerbaijan didn't really affect the running order draw or seating in the hall. I can agree with the interval act though, that did impact the show.

The problem with Sweden's organization so far is that I think their changes aren't refreshing at all.
For every change they've announced, I can think of one or two pros and a list of cons - it's just not smart.
We'll see though, I could be wrong - but imo things don't seem promising.

 

[A-lister]

@ A-lister
I think I was polite enough not giving any highly interesting video links and I haven't mentioned this huge debacle before, you must give me that. This is internal Swedish stuff not to be dragged around BMO.

I don't care, I just thought it was an unnecessary off-topic response, I barely even mentioned anything I just agreed with evilperson on his comment. I know you have problems with my opinions, but I don't really see the point in pointing it out everywhere because quite frankly you don't know me and I don't think the rest are that interested either.

Anyways, hopefully we can leave all this behind now because it's just unnecessary.

 

[LalehForWD]

If you want press releases, check the official eurovision website and the SVT website. They've been coming out on a weekly basis and get picked up by ESC sites as well. I even provided a link for one of them in a previous post. About the changes, I did indeed comment about them in several posts, use your browsing skills.

If you see my comments as an attack on Sweden, I really have nothing more to say to you because you fail to understand what I say. It's useless and a waste of time.
I don't know where I backed off, but I wont be goaded. If you want to a fight about this, go fight someone else.

Well, you could simply have said: "Oh I'm sorry, I was carried away, you must understand I feel passionate about this". Or thought of a clever joke. Now, you just want me to back away as the simpleminded cranky quarreleager ass I am, right? OK fine.

BTW, the SVT website isn't the easiest to navigate, but with "press releases" you mean perhaps the Martin Österdahl interviews, which merely contain discussions of possible views and guidelines. As far as I've seen there are some reports of early organisation progress in Malmö, but that's about it. The only change I'm aware of is the running order rule change proposal from ESC reference group which was confirmed by EBU. But I can of course be unaware of proposals and changes.

 

[LalehForWD]

I don't care, I just thought it was an unnecessary off-topic response, I barely even mentioned anything I just agreed with evilperson on his comment. I know you have problems with my opinions, but I don't really see the point in pointing it out everywhere because quite frankly you don't know me and I don't think the rest are that interested either.

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Anyways, hopefully we can leave all this behind now because it's just unnecessary.

I would hope so too.

 

[evilperson]

Well, you could simply have said: "Oh I'm sorry, I was carried away, you must understand I feel passionate about this". Or thought of a clever joke. Now, you just want me to back away as the simpleminded cranky quarreleager ass I am, right? OK fine.

BTW, the SVT website isn't the easiest to navigate, but with "press releases" you mean perhaps the Martin Österdahl interviews, which merely contain discussions of possible views and guidelines. As far as I've seen there are some reports of early organisation progress in Malmö, but that's about it. The only change I'm aware of is the running order rule change proposal from ESC reference group which was confirmed by EBU. But I can of course be unaware of proposals and changes.

Apologizing would mean admitting I did something wrong, which isn't the case.

SVT have been releasing a series of these articles where they rag on the contests of the past and foretell of how they will "save" Eurovision with their enlightened concepts.
It comes off completely condescending and conceited. From these articles its sounds like they plan to make quite a few changes and none that sound good to me.
Who knows, maybe it will be a huge success in the end, but at this point I'm doubtful of that and this is my opinion.

 

[Mannone]

This is definitely a bad decision and probably very unpopular.

Unpopular? Understatement! Malmö is the shithole of our country and almost every swede outside Malmö would agree with me. In Stockholm they have built national arenas, one after another, the last couple of years, and when they really get the chance to fill it, they put the biggest event in shitcity. I've been to Malmö once and it's the only city I've promised myself that I will never return to. Why? Let me quote my old pal Vinnie: Never, ever ... - YouTube

Some hot shot got a bright idea, let's gather in Malmö and everyone will think that swedish sounds like whining with a touch of gago. Anyway, if someone here plan to go to Malmö, I will end with a little language lesson. Just utter this phrase and you will get popular:

"Lägg ner skiten!"

 

[LalehForWD]

Haha, I think it's all because of

no one will simply take us seriously if the contest would be held in Friends Arena!

 

[A-lister]

Haha, I think it's all because of

no one will simply take us seriously if the contest would be held in Friends Arena!

And how's that? How is having the contest in one of the worst cities of western Europe, in a smaller arena and making our neighbor the economical winner gonna make us be taken serious? It's even laughable that SVT couldn't leave politics out of this, if anything this makes us look like some totalitarian state rather than a serious host... heck even Azeri hosting was less politicized than our hosting...

 

[LalehForWD]

^ haha It's a joke and a tease for all Stockholm brats!
Stockholm - The Capitol of Scandinavia 3

 

[A-lister]

^ haha It's a joke and a tease for all Stockholm brats!
Stockholm - The Capitol of Scandinavia 3

Why are you such an oikophobe?

Stockholm is in the middle of Scandinavia, it's the biggest city of the region so what's the problem here? Is it cocky? Yeah... but Sweden should need some self-confidence and less self-hatred when we market us... atleast they got THIS thing right in this marketing...

 

[LalehForWD]

Oh I've lived in Stockholm (Hornstull, Gröndal) and I love the city. Still going there quite often.

 

[GRE]

Well,my opinion is that the 2013 edition of eurovision,
should be called Fiascovision ! First the thing with the producers,then less countries from 2007,and most of all boring English pop/rock songs.Already we have 4 of them.

 

[NeonProject]

Well,my opinion is that the 2013 edition of eurovision,
should be called Fiascovision ! First the thing with the producers,then less countries from 2007,and most of all boring English pop/rock songs.Already we have 4 of them.

Pop/Rock music isn't boring. The songs so far just have nothing special to them.
I'm sure that's what you meant anyway, I just hate people generalising a full genre. ^_^

 

[Matt]

Change to rehearsal schedule

Rehearsals will begin a day later than normal, on 6 May
In the first set of rehearsals, each country will perform behind closed doors. Press and fans will be able to follow the rehearsals from the EuroClub, which is to be set up for the needs of the press, on screens. This means there will be no videos of the first rehearsals from the press at large.


So there won't be any clips from the first rehearsal so those of us in the presscentre will be busy writing reports.....sigh.

 

[Mika]

Perhaps there will still be clips uploaded to the official eurovision YT channel.

 

[A-lister]

Well, personally I'm not bothered since I don't like spoiling myself with clips from rehearsals.

One change I'd like to add, next to all the bad changes they have in store for us now, is that juries should cast their votes during the finals and not rehearsals.

 

[anto475]

Well, personally I'm not bothered since I don't like spoiling myself with clips from rehearsals.

One change I'd like to add, next to all the bad changes they have in store for us now, is that juries should cast their votes during the finals and not rehearsals.

No I disagree with this now. I think it's better the way it is as it gives a more-rounded view of the artist and song, as votes are given for two performances, rather than just one. An artist may do dreadfully on the final due to whatever reason but perform impeccably well at the rehearsal, and thus get a more-deserving score thanks to the Jury votes from watching a different performance. It's a good rule.

 

[Mickey]

No I disagree with this now. I think it's better the way it is as it gives a more-rounded view of the artist and song, as votes are given for two performances, rather than just one. An artist may do dreadfully on the final due to whatever reason but perform impeccably well at the rehearsal, and thus get a more-deserving score thanks to the Jury votes from watching a different performance. It's a good rule.

Yeah, but the majority of viewers don't understand this and will be left bewildered at how the entrant who sounded like a strangled cat is beating their song.