Jury - fair or not fair? That's the question.

[A-lister]

I think juries are fair, but they should go back to the old method of the top 10s mixed rather than this rank system. The rank means a country can get a 12 by televote and end up with no points

So in what way is it fair when juries in calculated moves put certain entries in the bottom, not based on the music/performance merits, but just to hinder televoting results and because they have a dislike for a certain country or genre?

The LEAST thing they should do is go back to the old system, now the juries are calculating the potential outcomes of televoting and vote totally unprofessional to hinder that rather than judging the music, and what is it fair with a bunch of people punishing anything local sounding in a contest that is suppose to be a celebration of all Europe?

 

[Andreea]

I said an another topic that it really surprises me to see such big discrepancy between the jury members, although it's assumed that they all are specialists, so not so subjective like the public. I wonder how can a specialist consider Romania's entry the best (1st place) and other the worst (25 place) ? what "specialists" are those people?

that was Ireland jury vote.

It was just an example, but if you check others countries you'll see very different opinions between the members of the same jury. How can specialists be so subjective? If they are so, than it's better without a jury. It makes no sense to have a jury.

 

[A-lister]

I said an another topic that it really surprises me to see such big discrepancy between the jury members, although it's assumed that they all are specialists, so not so subjective like the public. I wonder how can a specialist consider Romania's entry the best (1st place) and other the worst (25 place) ? what "specialists" are those people?

that was Ireland jury vote.

It was just an example, but if you check others countries you'll see very different opinions between the members of the same jury.

Juries are not specialists, they are only brought back to make some western countries feel better about themselves and to support music that feels comfortable to the ordinary western listener... in other words punish everything local and out of the box.

 

[kippesoep]

Pretty weird btw that San Marino had NL placed as 1 in the semifinal and then suddenly for the final NL dropped to place 9 where Azarbaijan was the number 1? Yeah, corrupt much?

 

[Andreea]

One of the fishiest jury besides Azeri and Armenian, was the German one!
All 5 members voted inline, putting Denmark in 1st place,

Romanian jury also put Denmark on the 1st place
(they didn't voted in line, 3,2,5,1,3 but Denmark av. jury rank was 1st.)

 

[Tylor]

I'm also pro jury vote - however, let's face it: their musical taste SUCKS and it's still heavily influenced by politics. Jury's from (mostly) eastern European countries should be banned or warned (like Azerbaijan and Armenia).

 

[A-lister]

I'm also pro jury vote - however, let's face it: their musical taste SUCKS and it's still heavily influenced by politics. Jury's from (mostly) eastern European countries should be banned or warned (like Azerbaijan and Armenia).

Juries from western Europe should be banned and warned for screwing up chances of for instance Poland in 100% political moves. Don't for a second think that western juries aren't biased, it's apparent when they purposely put a country pretty much dead last because they know that they might be popular with televoters but aren't the "right country".

 

[doctormalisimo]

I have nothing against using a combination of juries and televotes, but the way they are combined just isn't fair. The juries now have the power to sink an entry completely so that, hypothetically, a country with 80 % of the televotes ends up with nothing.

The system needs adjustments, but don't get rid of the juries entirely.

Poland apparently had 45% of the Irish televote, but were shot down by the juries :|

 

[Stanirama]

Juries from western Europe should be banned and warned from screwing up chances of for instance Poland in 100% political moves. Don't for a second think that western juries aren't biased, it's apparent when they purposely put a country pretty much dead last because they know that they might be popular with televoters but aren't the "right country".

I think a lot of jury members genuinely didn't like the Polish song. It's the kind of song that appeals more to protest voters than people taking the contest more seriously. I liked the sexy, well-choreographed stage show, but find the song itself excruciating. If I heard it on the radio, I would switch station immediately. Juries voting this down speaks in their favor.

 

[A-lister]

Poland apparently had 45% of the Irish televote, but were shot down by the juries :|

That's just crazy, and people call these people "musical professionals" when it's blatantly apparent that their rankings had nothing to do with the music, just punishing countries... I'm feeling sick that such people should have more say than the people. I think they harm the contest.

 

[A-lister]

I think a lot of jury members genuinely didn't like the Polish song. It's the kind of song that appeals more to protest voters than people taking the contest more seriously. I liked the sexy, well-choreographed stage show, but find the song itself excruciating. If I heard it on the radio, I would switch station immediately. Juries voting this down speaks in their favor.

If you think for a second that the Irish and UK juries screwed Poland over because of the music, then you are deluding yourself.

Oh and double check, this IS what you'd hear on modern radio (bar the folk motives), you'd never hear such dated ballads as Conchita or Sanna though...

 

[revallsay]

Televoting is just people wasting their money.

 

[A-lister]

Televoting is just people wasting their money.

Well now it is, because juries will screw them over anyways. I'm still repulsed by what the Irish and UK juries did (and probably others aswell).

If the juries are here only to punish certain genres and countries, then they're pointless. It's sucking the life of this contest...

Top. 10 is more or less only wannabe American stuff, top. 4 only ballads...

 

[Quent91]

you can freely vote with the official app.

 

[ParadiseES]

I would like them to vote in a different way, I would like them to be less conservative and I would like them to vote not following the trend.

Anyway, I think they're still needed. It's true this year results have been quite similar to the televoting ones and wouldn't change a thing, with the sole exception of Poland and Portugal (but this was so predictable), so they were kinda useless this year. But this is the first time, last years we had fairer results thanks to the juries. Not because their results were especially good, but the 50-50 of two kinda biased votings created a much fairer result. If after some years the results are like this year we should get rid of them cause they will be useless.

But gonna disagree with most of people here. If the juries stay I'm 100% pro this ranking system instead of the other one. IMO it's quite positive a country can cancel blind diaspora votes. The only problem is when a country must use this and Spanish jury is a good example on this: we could avoid any point for Romania last year with their sucky song, but we gave them points again this year when they deserved.

About UK and Ireland jury votes for Poland, I see nothing wrong. Poland has done quite poorly in every jury vote, so nobody can't see British or Irish jury voted in purpose to cancel any point for Poland, something the Belgian jury clearly did, putting Armenia in the bottom when they've been at least top-10 in most of the countries.

Every Moldovan juror putting Romania first and every Icelandic juror putting Denmark first is pathetic as well. The Armenia-Azerbaijan thing is in other level...

 

[A-lister]

you can freely vote with the official app.

It costs money...

 

[ParadiseES]

you can freely vote with the official app.

No. You pay the same as if you sent a SMS via the official app.

 

[Stanirama]

Pretty weird btw that San Marino had NL placed as 1 in the semifinal and then suddenly for the final NL dropped to place 9 where Azarbaijan was the number 1? Yeah, corrupt much?

I would say that's more than "pretty weird". Unless they completely replaced the jury members. Which I can see they didn't.

 

[A-lister]

I would like them to vote in a different way, I would like them to be less conservative and I would like them to vote not following the trend.

Anyway, I think they're still needed. It's true this year results have been quite similar to the televoting ones and wouldn't change a thing, with the sole exception of Poland and Portugal (but this was so predictable), so they were kinda useless this year. But this is the first time, last years we had fairer results thanks to the juries. Not because their results were especially good, but the 50-50 of two kinda biased votings created a much fairer result. If after some years the results are like this year we should get rid of them cause they will be useless.

But gonna disagree with most of people here. If the juries stay I'm 100% pro this ranking system instead of the other one. IMO it's quite positive a country can cancel blind diaspora votes. The only problem is when a country must use this and Spanish jury is a good example on this: we could avoid any point for Romania last year with their sucky song, but we gave them points again this year when they deserved.

About UK and Ireland jury votes for Poland, I see nothing wrong. Poland has done quite poorly in every jury vote, so nobody can't see British or Irish jury voted in purpose to cancel any point for Poland, something the Belgian jury clearly did, putting Armenia in the bottom when they've been at least top-10 in most of the countries.

Every Moldovan juror putting Romania first and every Icelandic juror putting Denmark first is pathetic as well. The Armenia-Azerbaijan thing is in other level...

The current system is AWFUL, the juries are not here to NOT vote for entries that could get diaspora vote, they are here to vote for the music without any thought about the countries...

What they did to Poland is vile, it wasn't a vote on music, it was 100% a cynical calculated anti- country vote. It's disgusting that people that have so much power and called "experts" are using their powers to punish countries because they somehow dislike them or the genres.

 

[Mlyn]

If you think for a second that the Irish and UK juries screwed Poland over because of the music, then you are deluding yourself.

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If you think for a second that Ireland and UK have the biggest Polish diaspora, then the televoting results were biased anyway