Jury - fair or not fair? That's the question.

[FilipFromSweden]

Poland was 3rd in Swedish televoting!

 

[VikingTiger]

Today's system is not prefect. Best example is the Az/Ar voting as has been mentioned. That will have to be addressed by ebu. I definitely want to keep the juries. But it seems that them ranking all the songs has failed. They should go back to only ranking their 10 favourites.

Clearly the most important change would be bigger juries. Each member of a country's jury accounts for 10% of the country's votes. Waaaay to much! There should be at least 8 members of every jury. Preferably 12.

 

[LoveHate]

I have nothing against using a combination of juries and televotes, but the way they are combined just isn't fair. The juries now have the power to sink an entry completely so that, hypothetically, a country with 80 % of the televotes ends up with nothing.

The system needs adjustments, but don't get rid of the juries entirely.

 

[Etl]

I think juries are doing more harm than good. You can't just let 5 people determine the 50% of the votes of a country.
Having juries, at first, was a good idea to stop neighbouring voting and diaspora voting, but it seems now they are messing up the results even worse.

 

[LoveHate]

After some thought, this type of system would work better:

The jury top-15 gets 15, 14,... , 2, 1 points. Same with the televotes. Then these points are combined to determine the top-10 (country with the highest combined score gets douze points etc). In the case of a tie, televotes determine which entry gets the higher final position. By only taking into account a top-15 the juries wont be able to completely sink an entry. A song in the top-3 among televoters will get some points even if it's outside the jury top-15. The reason why it's a top-15 instead of a top-10 is that an entry just outside both top-10:s could reach a top-10 in the combined result.

 

[Mlyn]

One of the fishiest jury besides Azeri and Armenian, was the German one!

All 5 members voted inline, putting Denmark in 1st place, giving Austria nothing (who one the televote). Last year Germany gave 12 points to lovely Hungary, but this year, with such a strong entry, Hungary received nothing......

The German jury was superweird and I suspect Sido to have influenced his colleagues.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

The votes from the Georigan juries got disqualified, EBU says that the 5 jury members had exactly ranked their top 8 in the same way.

 

[lucian-crusher]

I think they are doing thier job, roughly speaking. We would have given Spain 8 points on televote alone, the jury avoided that. No neighbourly voting here then

And you must pay the consequnces for this

Eurovisin: La Wikipedia expulsa a Portugal por no votar a Espaa -- Qu.es --

 

[Leydan]

To be fair to the juries. Their individual results were to be released, so they might have felt pressure to place particular countries better than others. I would rather just the split voting from each country rather than all the individual voting, then its up to the country to release the full breakdown if they wish.

 

[Mrm]

Well, some juries are fair, and some are TOTALLY unfair, I guess as always..

 

[DaFlo]

One of the fishiest jury besides Azeri and Armenian, was the German one!

All 5 members voted inline, putting Denmark in 1st place, giving Austria nothing (who one the televote). Last year Germany gave 12 points to lovely Hungary, but this year, with such a strong entry, Hungary received nothing......

The German jury was superweird and I suspect Sido to have influenced his colleagues.

Sido had Georgia at #1 in the Semi
and they said that the austrian song wasn't that special/good for them, so why should they gave it a high ranking then?
and hungary was also only 15th in the televoting, so the jury agreed with them

 

[A-lister]

I'm SICK AND TIRED of the juries destroying this contest. It's like they suck out all the fun and spirit of it.

They are totally political, biased and europhobic... and now when EBU has given them MORE powers. Just look at how CALCULATED some countries' juries put Poland last in their rankings only to hinder the televoting to have any effect, those calculated rankings are NOT a judgment of the music or the show, it's 100% ANTI- country votes.

We are in another year where juries KILL everything local, different, ethno or whatever... the top. 10 is entirely in English with NO connection to Europe.

If someone thinks it's alright that juries should in calculated greedy moves put countries last just because they hinder televoting results, then you are NO way better than the ones supporting diaspora voting. In fact what the juries doing, 100% political and biased, is far worse and it takes away ALL credibility from the contest.

I'm sick and tired of them PUNISHING countries for actually sending something that is different and with local motives. I hope Poland and Portugal withdraws again. With the juries agenda onboard this contest SUCKS !

There I said it!

 

[kippesoep]

Huh? Putting Poland that low is very much a judgement of music. The high televote had more to do with sex than anything else.

 

[A-lister]

Huh? Putting Poland that low is very much a judgement of music. The high televote had more to do with sex than anything else.

Huh? I 100% disagree with you, Poland's song is what Eurovision should be all about... fun, party, daring, local yet modern, native language.

The whole top. 10 are just more or less Americanized English ballads... it's a disaster for Eurovision as a concept if we allow us to be so narrow-minded when judging music, this is EUROvision afterall (or atleast it should be).

If you agree that Eurovision should be judged as American Idol, then sure, but that to me is not Eurovision. The calculated moves by for instance the UK and Irish juries are 100% BLATANT anti-country votes which had no connection to judging the songs, music or performance.

 

[HarryUK]

The Azeri jury all voted the same more or less, that needs a looking into imo

 

[kippesoep]

Huh? I 100% disagree with you, Poland's song is what Eurovision should be all about... fun, party, daring, local yet modern, native language.

The whole top. 10 are just more or less Americanized English ballads... it's a disaster for Eurovision as a concept if we allow us to be so narrow-minded when judging music, this is EUROvision afterall (or atleast it should be).

If you agree that Eurovision should be judged as American Idol, then sure, but that to me is not Eurovision. The calculated moves by for instance the UK and Irish juries are 100% BLATANT anti-country votes which had no connection to judging the songs, music or performance.

Your claim was that the jury made a political vote in the case of Poland, I think they judged the music, which quite frankly pretty much isn't that well done in my opinion. To further support this, if the people that televoted for Poland actually liked the song then you could reasonably expect those people to buy the song. As Eurovision Tracker shows, that just is not happening. They are even ranked below San Marino there.

 

[A-lister]

Your claim was that the jury made a political vote in the case of Poland, I think they judged the music, which quite frankly pretty much isn't that well done in my opinion. To further support this, if the people that televoted for Poland actually liked the song then you could reasonably expect those people to buy the song. As Eurovision Tracker shows, that just is not happening. They are even ranked below San Marino there.

I claim that and I stand by that claim 100%, it's pretty blatant when the Irish and UK juries put Poland pretty much dead last as a way to hinder televoting having any influence. It's a 100% political and biased move and the new voting rules strengthen that.

I don't know anyone under the age of 40 buying music these days, hardly any proof of anything

As for liking or disliking the song, I find it brilliant with probably the best instrumental part of the whole evening... to me this is what Eurovision should be about, but Eurohobes hijacked the contest.

 

[kippesoep]

Fair point about not buying music Anyway, we won't agree here, so let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[A-lister]

Fair point about not buying music Anyway, we won't agree here, so let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Yes we won't at all, so I guess fair enough.

 

[MrJadeEwen]

I think juries are fair, but they should go back to the old method of the top 10s mixed rather than this rank system. The rank means a country can get a 12 by televote and end up with no points