Jury - fair or not fair? That's the question.

[Andreea]

Well, EBU doesn't wanna change it... this is their way of sneeking in more jury power... I think it's dreadful.

I also think that the system is not good. For example: Romania gave 12 points to Sweden, but neither the public, neither the jury considered Sweden’s entry the best. Sweden rank was 6th on televote and 2nd on jury. Is so strange to have as a winner a song who was not seen as the best at least by a voting (public or jury)

 

[Quent91]

No. You pay the same as if you sent a SMS via the official app.

what ? how does it come ? I thought it was going through internet :?

 

[12Points]

Can anyone please tell me the changes on this year's voting system?

 

[A-lister]

You do have to understand that most of these countries have huge Polish diaspora. Some of the above even have Polish people as the most numerous diaspora. Still juries did do their part in Poland's final result. But really who would've expected juries to vote high for this? :'D The problem is that most of jury members are in fact pop singers taught to appreciate only small amount of what can be called traditional genres and types. This is why delegation need to include versatile juries (for example in Germany rap artist Sido voted high for Germany and low for Austria). That is the main problem.

Polish diaspora were NEVER as let's say Turkish, Greek, Armenian or Russian... if that would have been the case, how come Poland always flopped during the 100% televoting years aswell?

The juries are NOT here to punish countries that hypothetically MAY get diaspora votes though, they are here to vote for music and NOT be controlled by what countries... in the case of Poland it's apparent that they juries wanted to punish a certain country, genre AND voters (which includes more than just diaspora). It was 100% calculated, cynical and 100% unprofessional on their behalf.

The fact that we have a system where a public 12-pointer can end up with 0 if the juries calculate their votes, that's disturbing, even more disturbing than the blind diaspora voting.

 

[greece]

Oh people now you understanded that jury doesn't vote fair I came here the morning and I saw 5 new threads talking aboy juries,cheating,blocks.... guys that's Eurovision

 

[Luki]

I also think that the system is not good. For example: Romania gave 12 points to Sweden, but neither the public, neither the jury considered Sweden’s entry the best. Sweden rank was 6th on televote and 2nd on jury. Is so strange to have as a winner a song who was not seen as the best at least by a jury.

That is also possible in top 10 system. :?

 

[Sonix]

The whole 'Poland's song was popular amongst the masses because of explicit sexuality' argument is hilarious. The girls were wearing lovely, folk dresses and there was nothing overly sexual in their dancing choreography. People are bashing it because of the two additional models that were part of the team, and they didn't even get that much screen time. It was intended as humorous and cheeky, and some people blow it out of proportions. As for the music quality - it's a matter of taste. I am a bit biased on the matter of course, but I think our song had several strong points (the instrumental/dancing part between the polish and english sung halves was absolutely stunning imo).

 

[Luki]

Polish diaspora were NEVER as let's say Turkish, Greek, Armenian or Russian... if that would have been the case, how come Poland always flopped during the 100% televoting years aswell?

The juries are NOT here to punish countries that hypothetically MAY get diaspora votes though, they are here to vote for music and NOT be controlled by what countries... in the case of Poland it's apparent that they juries wanted to punish a certain country, genre AND voters (which includes more than just diaspora). It was 100% calculated, cynical and 100% unprofessional on their behalf.

The fact that we have a system where a public 12-pointer can end up with 0 if the juries calculate their votes, that's disturbing, even more disturbing than the blind diaspora voting.

Well we haven't had a slavic hymn before, that might be why.
I didn't say anything of what you issued above. But I do agree.

 

[Andreea]

The whole 'Poland's song was popular amongst the masses because of explicit sexuality' argument is hilarious. The girls were wearing lovely, folk dresses and there was nothing overly sexual in their dancing choreography. People are bashing it because of the two additional models that were part of the team, and they didn't even get that much screen time. It was intended as humorous and cheeky, and some people blow it out of proportions. As for the music quality - it's a matter of taste. I am a bit biased on the matter of course, but I think our song had several strong points (the instrumental/dancing part between polish and english sang halves was absolutely stunning imo).

one of the Romanian juror said it was like an erotic show.
but not the erotic show was the problem, but the song. " No song, just an erotic show ", he said.
Poland received low score from our jury - 23. (22,23,19,23,23) and televoting- 21

 

[A-lister]

That is also possible in top 10 system. :?

The new system is even worse though.

 

[greece]

The whole 'Poland's song was popular amongst the masses because of explicit sexuality' argument is hilarious. The girls were wearing lovely, folk dresses and there was nothing overly sexual in their dancing choreography. People are bashing it because of the two additional models that were part of the team, and they didn't even get that much screen time. It was intended as humorous and cheeky, and some people blow it out of proportions. As for the music quality - it's a matter of taste. I am a bit biased on the matter of course, but I think our song had several strong points (the instrumental/dancing part between polish and english sang halves was absolutely stunning imo).

Without be biased I can tell you that IMHO the Polish song was the best. Not only the magic instrumental part but and the else. But anything alternative in ESC which isn't ballad/pop/scandinavian entry does really bad in the juries. For example would Verka had come 2nd with juries? Also I agree about the girls' clothes. I can't see nothing sexual in their clothes except that they are a bit opened (I think you understand what I mean) in the a high place. The only sexual that could have this entry is the faces of the girls

 

[Luki]

The new system is even worse though.

True, but it does decrease the amount of neighbour voting. In that way it's effective.

 

[A-lister]

True, but it does decrease the amount of neighbour voting. In that way it's effective.

If that's the whole point with juries, then I don't want them here. I agree with decreasing UNFAIR blind diaspora voting, but not vote against countries just because they may benefit from votes like this... juries shouldn't vote political, but they do.

 

[revallsay]

Do you really think it was only diaspora that voted?

 

[A-lister]

Do you really think it was only diaspora that voted?

The haters of the song are applauding the juries for their BLATANT anti-Polish vote... sure parts of the votes were diaspora, but not all.

 

[kippesoep]

The haters of the song are applauding the juries for their BLATANT anti-Polish vote... sure parts of the votes were diaspora, but not all.

I do hate the song, but I also hate political jury voting. I just don't think the jury were politically downvoting Poland. The song is just that bad in my opinion.

 

[Luki]

If that's the whole point with juries, then I don't want them here. I agree with decreasing UNFAIR blind diaspora voting, but not vote against countries just because they may benefit from votes like this... juries shouldn't vote political, but they do.

I'm really not sure on what you can base your statements since the juries always vote one day before the actual show. But there are some malicious examples of jury voting, and it will remain that way for a long time. There is no effective way of solving this problem. But the thing that bothers me the most is that some examples come from the Western Europe which is supposed to be the pillar of fighting against corruption. Ironic.

 

[greece]

Do you really think it was only diaspora that voted?

Yes has such a big diaspora here

Not ofc but it played an imporant role to the result

 

[A-lister]

I do hate the song, but I also hate political jury voting. I just don't think the jury were politically downvoting Poland. The song is just that bad in my opinion.

So bottom line you agree with political jury voting as long as they vote according to your liking?

 

[kippesoep]

So bottom line you agree with political jury voting as long as they vote according to your liking?

No, they weren't politically voting in the case of Poland.

Why Germany placed Denmark all at the 1 spot for instance is really beyond me and I suspect something political might have been going on there though, for instance.