Italy ITALY 2015 - Il Volo - Grande amore
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ElRuso
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The boys with their press award
just ignore the other guy in the picture if you can
It looks even more ugly after knowing the split results.
SuperGirl
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Il Volo is in european music charts from Sanremo, I don't know exactly how many copy they sold, and is still in more than 30 country only on iTunes. And, most important, the song is in italian, there is nothing else to add.
And there is no need to say bulls*it to justify the big shame on the jury results. All the world saw what happened. In Italy there is some rumors but we take ease on ESC, we know what genre of song win every year. Il Volo brought Music.
I'm really sad with the result of Spain and France too, they didn't deserve 21 and 25. Expect some Big withdrawal.
ps: Supergirl, I know that you like your country song, but be honest with yourself at least, on roles reversed what would you have said? Be honest
Lol, Italy is so weak on the charts. On itunes Sweden is #1 in 20 different countries. Italy is #1 in only one country, Greece. It's only #5 in Italy. Why isn't it in first place in the home country if they are so famous and the song is do great??
No, i wouldn't be sad. It's the rules. Actually the jury voting is the orginal and real way to vote. Televoting hasn't been used until the end of 90's. So to you do you think ESC was crap until end of the 90's??? It seems so because there where only jury voting then.
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In the Televoting -
Italy received 14 (!) TWELVE points; 7 TEN points; 6 EIGHT points; 7 SEVEN points; 3 SIX points and 1 FIVE points from Ireland. - those all of the countries!
Sweden received 3 TWELVE points (from NOR, DNK and Australia); 5 TENS - which three of those countries gave the DOUZ PUA to ITALY and the other two are FIN and Estonia; 6 EIGHT points - which five of those countries gave more points to ITALY and the sixth is the UK; the rest points os Sweden are ranking from 7 to 2 - where every country of those gave more points to Italy except for Latvia and Ireland.
The combined results just smells wrong.
ITALY
Sweden is the real winner. It's jury+televote that counts. Not only televoting.
Would it has been fair if Iyaly had won despite their poor jury result?? No!! Many people would have complained against Italy too in that case.
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People would complain if the televoting winner had been an ex soviet or a country with many immigrants, etc...one of those countries who always do well in televoting...not if a big 4 country won it and by a big margin, too!
On the contrary, most people would be thrilled because it would prove that you don't have to have 123 allies to win televoting.
As for the 'poor jury result'...well, personally, I care more about what millions of people loved and spent their money on...not about what 200 people appointed by the local channels decided was the best.
SuperGirl
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So in your opinion ESC has been crap in most part of it's history.
Also remember not all people were thrilled about Il Volo's win in SanRemo. Many people thought Nek would have won.
Then why do you those people would have been thrilled about Italy winning despite being only 6th in jury voting. That's thepoint. Whoever wins will get complains AND praise.
'Cause they've already been there and sold more than 50.000 copies here, achieving a platinum disc. And their album too, more than 100.000 copies and double platinum.
angry
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Maybe already everybody owned the CD. No need for an Itunes mp3 file.
oxy333
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I smell a liar
Krishoes and angry have already replied on the charts question. It's not difficult to understand why a song released on february 2015 is not top1 in charts in may 2015, and even now "Grande Amore" is doing really good.
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That and Italy's song appeals to all ages, so I'm sure it also got plenty votes from older people, who don't use Itunes, but still decided to vote. Also no news site writes about the split results and that Sweden didn't win the televote. When you only have one song presented in a news article, which person who didn't watch ESC, would check out the other songs which competed?
Anyway, considering that this showed us how easily the juries can prevent a televote winner with the new voting, it's quite obvious that Vienna will stay the most "eastern" host city for quite a long time.
busybee
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1st I can't judge what USED TO happen before televoting..because it's like asking me to judge what happened before I was born..lol I can only judge modern eurovision...which includes televoting.
2nd Totally irrelevant. What matters is how the viewers of Eurovision voted, not whatever might have happened in Italy.
3rd I didn't say EVERYONE would be thrilled...but I don't believe that any real eurovision fan would complain because a televoting winner won...unless he came from one of the countries I mentioned above...i.e. had won unfairly. But for a big 4 country? Nope, I don't think any real fan would complain...not even Mans himself, I believe.
StellaStai
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And you still occupy this thread. Go home to the Swedish thread. - You have to realize that the people's choice was Italy. Not Sweden! Only 160 jury members saved Sweden. So sh.. up. :twisted:
https://twitter.com/GianGinoble/status/602425870490427392/photo/1
SuperGirl
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Really?? No one would complain about big 4 winning?? So they are the almighty Gods that all should praise. Lol, people are already angry that they are getting special threatments.
Even winners who won both televoting and juries are being bashed by ESC fans. but you really think Italy wouldn't get complains if they had won despite being 6th in jury voting. You are so naive that's funny actually.
BTW, no it's not irrelevant. If people wasn't thrilled with Il Volo's win in San Remo why should they be that in ESC then?
poriel
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'Many people thought Nek would have won. '
Didn't Il Volo hit 40% of public votings of San Remo 2015 final? nnn
if you are saying escunited.com then I have nothing to say tho
Didn't Il Volo hit 40% of public votings of San Remo 2015 final? nnn
if you are saying escunited.com then I have nothing to say tho
SuperGirl
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So the the winners 1995 and before don't count since the people weren't allowed to vote?
StellaStai
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We are not living in 1995. We are living 2015 and ruels have changed. But it's not right that 160 members of the jury destroy peoples choise. Millions of People are voting for nothing.
"But they wouldn't be thrilled in case of victory, you know" (cit. SuperGirl in Wonderland)
SuperGirl
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I smell a liar
Krishoes and angry have already replied on the charts question. It's not difficult to understand why a song released on february 2015 is not top1 in charts in may 2015, and even now "Grande Amore" is doing really good.
Excuse me?????? Heroes was released 28 February. Not as big differencecas you think it is.
AND SO???????????? Did he achieve already a certification???
SuperGirl
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BTW, millions of people????? How actually do we know more people voted for Italy?? You can vote 20 times for one entry???? How do we know that the italian fans weren't just more fanatic and voted for it as crazy? Until people can only vote one time for the entries we will never know which entry the people actually liked most.