SuperGirl
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Why is it not right? If it was right 1995 then why not now??so you don't think it was right Norway won 1985 or 1995?
And yes the rules have changed and they are 50/50. Deal with it.
Italy ITALY 2015 - Il Volo - Grande amore
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Why is it not right? If it was right 1995 then why not now??so you don't think it was right Norway won 1985 or 1995?
And yes the rules have changed and they are 50/50. Deal with it.
StellaStai
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I'm laughing..
You are not true. Go back to the Swidish thread and stay there. You won and you are not satisfied. 
Is it hard to know that only the jury alone saved you? Don't worry we all know anyway, so just sh.. up!
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SuperGirl please hold your horses I know a lot of the arguments might not go well with you, but choose your battles. Who cares if Il Volo doesn't sell well in Italy or whatever that was about? They got 366 damn televoting points, that has to mean something. I'm not saying Sweden didn't deserve this win, but I still have to say Italy deserved it just as much. Charts can't tell you everything.
I know a lot of the arguments might not go well with you, but choose your battles. Who cares if Il Volo doesn't sell well in Italy or whatever that was about? They got 366 damn televoting points, that has to mean something. I'm not saying Sweden didn't deserve this win, but I still have to say Italy deserved it just as much. Charts can't tell you everything.SuperGirl
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I'm laughing..
Don't worry we all know anyway, so just sh.. up!
Still how do we know more people actually liked Italy? I'm very happy and satisfied with Sweden win. But I the all these bad losers who are bashing Sweden.
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Cause Italy got 366 points at televoting and Sweden 279
If that isn't obvious then what it is?SuperGirl
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Cause Italy got 366 points at televoting and Sweden 279
It doesn't mean more people voted for it. They can vote 20 times for a entry. What about if the italian fans were fanatic and voted crazy for it?
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True, but Swedish fans could have done the same...
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And who is saying to me that Swedish fans weren't crazy about Heros and voted for it but they were just fewer.
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Agreed, but that's why the televoting is flawed. We will never know which country people actually liked most until they only can vote one time for one entry.
This is why the juries are needed. They need to adjust those fanatic votes.
Sim
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With that I agree that I need to be less than 20 votes.
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The rules are the same for everyone and (with some changes) for every year. So if this year, Sweden won because of the juries, than be it. In another year, things may be the other way round.
A winner is not more deserved if it is first in televote or in jury. A winner is deserved if it gets the most points. Period. For me a winner is only undeserved if the votes are bought (countries distributing sim-cards in other countries and paying people, that wouldn't even watch to vote, or corrupting juries).
A winner is not more deserved if it is first in televote or in jury. A winner is deserved if it gets the most points. Period. For me a winner is only undeserved if the votes are bought (countries distributing sim-cards in other countries and paying people, that wouldn't even watch to vote, or corrupting juries).
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As for the topic of this thread: I would have preferred Australia, Slovenia or Israel to win, but as the decision was approaching and there only were Russia, Sweden or Italy to have a chance for the win, I crossed my fingers for Italy. But that is just a matter of taste imo.
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I agree at the first part at all.
But the juries the only that are doing are promoting even more neighbor voting when they were actually formed to stop it. Yes they may adjust the fanatic votes but sometimes a song is 1st at televoting and at the last places in the juries. I just think that 5 people shouldn't be allowed to cancel what thousand of people voted and for which the paid. But that's another story.
True we won't find it out. But I don't really think that all these countries who gave 12 to italy were crazy fans. Cause many people heard the song for first time
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The general public in Itay doesn't really care about ESC and it can not be compared to Sweden. They care about San remo way more than about ESC and that will never change. So even if their song would win ESC, I highly doubt that it would go back to first just like that, snce there is not that much interest for ESC.
And the ESC sweden fanboys across Europe didn't vote like crazy? Please...
GermanBango
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TBH almost all people in here behave like little fanatic babies. It's not just her. You are all supposed to be adults right? Then start to behave/discuss like adults! It's completely ok to have an opinion towards this topics but at some point it's time to let go.
Sweden won the Jury-voting, fact. Italy won the Televoting, fact. Sweden is the only rightful winner because he won fair and square under the current system, fact. The current-voting system isn't perfect and needs some changes, fact.
Now stop hating on each other because of something that you can't change anyway - that's just pathetic.
Hey? Are you mad or what? You are saying to me this after I wrote yesterday that we can be upset but we have to accept the results until these are the rules!!! Maybe I am the only one here who never said that this victory is unfair!
Pathetic is the way SuperTroll acts and this defense. It's pathetic that she is steadily here bashing on who thinks that Italy deserved the victory instead of being in the swedish topic cheering for this great result (that I ACCEPT!). So, better change your target, man, that's crazy!
Why some people don't enjoy their success?
Go to whatever topic you want, and enjoy it.
But coming to the italian thread and moaning to all the persons who give Congratulations to Italy because it was the winner of what Europe decided,
is pathetic.
The results can not be changed and Sweden is the winner,
in the same way,
you can't also change people's opinion.
For many people Italy is the real winner.
There is no point trying to change others mind and making all believe what you believe.
Go to whatever topic you want, and enjoy it.
But coming to the italian thread and moaning to all the persons who give Congratulations to Italy because it was the winner of what Europe decided,
is pathetic.
The results can not be changed and Sweden is the winner,
in the same way,
you can't also change people's opinion.
For many people Italy is the real winner.
There is no point trying to change others mind and making all believe what you believe.
GermanBango
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I don't need target at all but most of you aren't acting better than she does. I do understand both sides but I don't get the why those endless accusations are made. You all know how she is - just ignore her, gosh.