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The two maps say two different things, is it so difficult to understand?

First map - the countries in EBU. Armenia is in, Azerbaijan is in, etc.
Second map - the limits of European Broadcasting Area, that is: all the countries in light green in that map can join the EBU, due only to their geographical position. All the countries outside this area must be members of the Council of Europe.

AZE and ARM are outside of this area, but they are in the EBU because they were admitted in the Council.
Ipothetically, Iraq could enter EBU because of geography, since it is partly inside the geographical limits.
Qatar is nearly impossible, since it would need to join the Council. And they're not even remotely in Europe!
Kazakhstan can be admitted, maybe, since there are parts of it even more western than Azerbaijan, but before that there are human rights problems to be resolved. When they will be resolved, the country can ask to be a member in the CoE. If the will be admitted, then they will be able to ask EBU membership. it's a long, long way.
 

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Actually, Kazakhstan is currently negotiating entrance into EBU, I don't think they'll have to enter CoE first.

Actually, I think that map is indeed not really updated, it's been looking like that for years now, even with technical improvements since it was first released.

But, I'm not saying it's inaccurate either, but I mean Iraq for instance is there, even if it's further south and east of Georgia for instance...
 

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Actually, Kazakhstan is currently negotiating entrance into EBU, I don't think they'll have to enter CoE first.

Actually, I think that map is indeed not really updated, it's been looking like that for years now, even with technical improvements since it was first released.

But, I'm not saying it's inaccurate either, but I mean Iraq for instance is there, even if it's further south and east of Georgia for instance...


For Kazakhstan to enter the EBU without being a member of the CoE, the EBU would have to change its admission rules, which of course they can do.

Those maps are very accurate, geographical limits of the broadcasting area are fixed and cannot be unilaterally changed. As the ST61 agreement states

"European Broadcasting Area: is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Iraq, Jordan and that part of the territory of Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area."

Broadcasters operating within those boundries can become full EBU members thus Iraqi or Saudi Arabian broadcasters currently have bigger chances of joining than Kazakhstani TV.
 

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Bevor die Euphorie vorbei ist ;) Eine Befragung zum Eurovision Song Contest!

Hej Leute,

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For Kazakhstan to enter the EBU without being a member of the CoE, the EBU would have to change its admission rules, which of course they can do.

Those maps are very accurate, geographical limits of the broadcasting area are fixed and cannot be unilaterally changed. As the ST61 agreement states

"European Broadcasting Area: is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Iraq, Jordan and that part of the territory of Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area."

Broadcasters operating within those boundries can become full EBU members thus Iraqi or Saudi Arabian broadcasters currently have bigger chances of joining than Kazakhstani TV.


But is this really up-to-date though? I mean it sorta comes across as something they have written some time ago, but never really adjusted with actual changes in technology etc. xshrug

And the fact that Iraq and Saudi Arabia (with no European connection what-so-ever other than having diaspora in Europe) would have bigger chances of joining than Kazakhstan, sort of proves how odd the current rules are xshrug
 

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How can it be a flop when you reach the final?! :eek:
 

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and not even talking about their 7 victories.They just need to send good songs and not weak entries like this years... they are able to win it, they just need to want it to do so :)

But 2013 wasn't a weak entry though xshrug

For sure better than much of the crap ended higher...
 

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Am I the only one who doesn't wish for a Turkish entry next year? I for one enjoyed their lack of presence in the contest. They came off self righteous last year and that put me off incredibly. I hope they don't return and convince Azerbaijan to withdraw also but that is wishful thinking. I so however hope for a Portuguese and Bosnian return next year and I hope the Balkan states don't withdraw given their extremely poor showing this year.
 
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