Countries of 2016

[FilipFromSweden]

I've always seen Palestine as a country, I mean if they can compete in the Olympics and all. I got no oppinion about Kosovo.

And I have always been called an idiot for this, but Scotland is not a country

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

And Russia recognizes Palestine as a country, and doesn't recognize Kosovo at all. Why for Palestine Israel must agree that they are a state, and for Kosovo it doesn't matter if Serbia is against it.

Tell us why Kosovo is a country and Palestine is not.

As for UK and Palestine

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/14/israel-condemns-british-mps-vote-palestinian-state

Palestine does not recognise its independence ITSELF, so how the hell is it legitimate that anybody else does?

If Palestine was an independent state then obviously participation would be open to them.

The Olympics has different rules regarding participation, territories are able to take part as well as countries. Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, French Guinea, Norfolk Island, etc, all participate independently because they are territories, but they are not countries Same applies to Palestine.

And I have always been called an idiot for this, but Scotland is not a country

You are right. Scotland is a "nation", not a "country". Same applies to Palestine. You become a "country" when you are an independent state. Until then they are just a nation of people... the Scots, the Palestinians, the English, the Basques, the Bretons, etc.

 

[ElRuso]

[MENTION=5194]MyHeartIsYours[/MENTION] What nation/s live in Kosovo, and what is the homeland of Palestinian nation?

And when did Gibraltar last participated in the Olympics?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

[MENTION=5194]MyHeartIsYours[/MENTION] What nation/s live in Kosovo, and what is the homeland of Palestinian nation?

And when did Gibraltar last participated in the Olympics?

Kosovo is a country as it is independent, like all the other countries of the world...

Palestine is a nation, a nation of people, that is legally defined as being an occupied territory of Israel - a status it recognises itself. Governments which have recognised it as independent are crazy, with false and corrupt motives. How can you recognise a nation as being independent when it itself does not recognise it?!!!

Gibraltar hasn't participated in the Games up to now, but it is able to. If that example doesn't suit you, look at the British Virgin Islands (a British territory), American Samoa (an American territory) and Aruba (a Dutch territory), which all participated independently in the 2012 Olympic Games despite not being independent themselves. Or India's participation prior to independence from Britain in 1947. Participation of the Olympic Games does not mean you're any more qualified for participation in Eurovision.

 

[ElRuso]

Kosovo is a country as it is independent, like all the other countries of the world...

Palestine is a nation, a nation of people, that is legally defined as being an occupied territory of Israel - a status it recognises itself. Governments which have recognised it as independent are crazy, with false and corrupt motives. How can you recognise a nation as being independent when it itself does not recognise it?!!!

Gibraltar hasn't participated in the Games up to now, but it is able to. If that example doesn't suit you, look at the British Virgin Islands (a British territory), American Samoa (an American territory) and Aruba (a Dutch territory), which all participated independently in the 2012 Olympic Games despite not being independent themselves. Or India's participation prior to independence from Britain in 1947. Participation of the Olympic Games does not mean you're any more qualified for participation in Eurovision.

There is no point to continue this. 137 countries (including the Holy See) are crazy in your opinion. End of story.

P.S. Gibraltar can't participate in the Olympics because it doesn't have NOC. British Overseas Territories are not part of the UK, same with others. Read the rules first.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

There is no point to continue this. 137 countries (including the Holy See) are crazy in your opinion. End of story.

P.S. Gibraltar can't participate in the Olympics because it doesn't have NOC. Read the rules first.

Thank you for admitting you're wrong. Indeed, if the Holy See's government thinks something, 9 times out of 10 it is probably crazy.

Gibraltar has a NOC, it is awaiting recognition by the IOC.

 

[ElRuso]

Thank you for admitting you're wrong. Indeed, if the Holy See's government thinks something, 9 times out of 10 it is probably crazy.

Gibraltar has a NOC, it is awaiting recognition by the IOC.

Don't lie to yourself, I didn't admit that I am wrong.

As for Gibraltar -

Dependent territories such as Curaçao, the Faroe Islands, Gibraltar, and Macau can no longer be recognised by the IOC, and athletes from those territories can only participate in the Olympics as part of their parent nation's national team.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

As for Gibraltar -

I have no idea where you got this source from, I've not heard about it. But Gibraltar is irrelevent to this discussion. The point I was making (and you know I was making) was that dependent territories are able to participate in the Olympics, hence why participation in Olympics does not = participation in Eurovision. So please don't try and sidetrack me into a discussion about Gibraltar's Olympic aspirations just because you are not making a single coherent argument against Kosovan Eurovision participation.

 

[ElRuso]

I have no idea where you got this source from, I've not heard about it. But Gibraltar is irrelevent to this discussion. The point I was making (and you know I was making) was that dependent territories are able to participate in the Olympics, hence why participation in Olympics does not = participation in Eurovision. So please don't try and sidetrack me into a discussion about Gibraltar's Olympic aspirations just because you are not making a single coherent argument against Kosovan Eurovision participation.

Actually you stated that Kosovo will participate in the Rio Olympics first. But I knew that you would say this. When you know that you are wrong, you end the discussion. So be it.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I knew that you would say this. When you know that you are wrong, you end the discussion. So be it. (Actually you stated that Kosovo will participate in the Rio Olympics first, so)

I haven't ended the discussion. You were the one who said end it

You're right I did say that about Kosovo at the Olympics, because Milos claimed that Kosovan participation in Eurovision would mean an end to Serbian participation, as Serbia only recognises Kosovo as being part of Serbia. So I said to him that this was a unproven as Serbia and Kosovo now have a history of participating successfully alongside each other in international events, giving the example that this will be the case during the Rio 2016 Games too. If they can participate successfully together in Rio 2016, why can't they in Stockholm 2016???

 

[ElRuso]

[MENTION=5194]MyHeartIsYours[/MENTION] Keep calm and don't make excuses. It is ok to say your opinion.

If you want to continue, I would just ask you to go to the Politics forum, cause we already have too much off-topic here.

Thank you for your understanding.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

[MENTION=5194]MyHeartIsYours[/MENTION] Keep calm and don't make excuses. It is ok to say your opinion.

If you want to continue, I would just ask you to go to the Politics forum, cause we already have too much off-topic here.

Thank you for your understanding.

I'm totally calm and I'm not discussing politics I'm discussing Kosovan participation in Eurovision. The only people who have brought up politics (going on about Palestine, NATO bombing, Crimea, etc, etc) are others...

 

[paddyirl]

Scotland is represented under the United Kingdom, as Sardinia is with Italy. The Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey.

And Kosovo is represented through Serbia currently and before that Serbia and Montenegro and before that Yugoslavia. What is your point?

 

[Carrie]

And Kosovo is represented through Serbia currently and before that Serbia and Montenegro and before that Yugoslavia. What is your point?

Perhaps you should have read the rest of my post before jumping on the bandwagon.

 

[esc87fan]

Switzi's in, they confirmed today!

 

[GRE]

23 countries at the moment.
From South Europe only Spain,Israel,Turkey,Malta.

 

[Vera]

I want Kosovo to take part xbb

Kosovo is not a country!

 

[Vera]

And why Kosovo is independent since there was no referendum?

Again, Kosovo is not a state. There was no referendum , the Serbs were expelled , it was ethnic cleaning! If Kosovo appears as a state at the Eurovision Song Contest , Serbia will never participate . That is for sure .

Kosovo is the heart of Serbia. Our whole culture is created there . Monasteries , books , music , soul ... Everything is there to stay .

I'll give you an example . This music is called " Kosovo chanting " and is the base of Serbian etno songs.

https://youtu.be/vlWbPEboCmA

And every time we listen to this music it returns us to our roots. And Serbian roots are in Kosovo, where Serbs are not allowed to live or to keep their sanctities . All is taken from us but not our dignity . So many people were killed , lost their house and now we should sing together at the Eurovision Song Contest . No chance!

 

[eerik]

Another day, another Serbian meltdown...

 

[Vera]

The story always has two sides , and each can select one . The truth is very relative , as well as opinions . Meltdown must always be encouraged . When ignorant stop touching in physics, then we can all sing independently of science. Thank you.