Countries of 2016

[MyHeartIsYours]

Ahhhh noooo, that film you are not going to watch. If such thing ever happens, Serbia will be out 100000%, and I will be the first one to advocate our withdrawal. So, you choose - nonexistant self-proclaimed country or a member of the ESC family that contributed a lot with its songs and even hosted one Eurovision event in the near future.

Will if Serbia did withdraw, it would be a great shame and frankly silly. Eurovision is supposed to be non-political, so why would you advocate Serbia's withdrawal??
But anyway, you can't hamper another country's ambitions to suit the desires of another.

You know I have a view on the situation Serbia/Kosovo, but it's not a strong view and it certainly doesn't impact on my view as to whether or not Kosovo should participate or not. I respect your view on the politics and I understand why you feel the way you do, but I just can't see why that needs to effect Eurovision. If we look at Cyprus, Turkey doesn't recognise the Republic of Cyprus at all (in contrast to Serbia, which is in negotiation with the Kosovan Government, therefore de facto recognises it), but both countries participate successfully in Eurovision and have done so for decades.
In other international competitions, Kosovo joined the International Olympic Committee last year, and Kosovo is expected to compete at the 2016 Rio Olympics - alongside Serbia. Likewise, both Serbia and Kosovo both participated at the European Games this year. No problems, no boycotts, no disputes. I don't see why the case would/should be any different with Eurovision

 

[Luki]

If the people of history had followed the modern day interpretation of a valid country, 1/2 of Europe wouldn't exist. Things change.

It's funny because Slavs (Croats and Serbs) forced Illyrians (supposed to be ancient Albanians) to move down south.

 

[Hele.]

May I ask when is official deadline for countries to confirm their participation?

 

[Scooby]

It's funny because Slavs (Croats and Serbs) forced Illyrians (supposed to be ancient Albanians) to move down south.

We all know that modern day Albanians have nothing in common with Illyrians. If Albanians are successors of ancient Illyrian tribes why they don't speak Illyrian language? How is possible that nation who existed on one teritory for a thousand of years (Albanian historians claim they are older than Ancient Greeks) don't have any material historical monument from that period. On modern day Kosovo exist so many Serbian monasteries from early Middle Age, where are Albanian monuments,.......

At the end I really don't care if they take a part on Eurovision or not, but I know that with every new Eastern country on FSC there are bigger chance for failure of Western countries. So Kazakstan, South Ossetia, Abkhazia are so welcomed

 

[Luki]

We all know that modern day Albanians have nothing in common with Illyrians. If Albanians are successors of ancient Illyrian tribes why they don't speak Illyrian language? How is possible that nation who existed on one teritory for a thousand of years (Albanian historians claim they are older than Ancient Greeks) don't have any material historical monument from that period. On modern day Kosovo exist so many Serbian monasteries from early Middle Age, where are Albanian monuments,.......

At the end I really don't care if they take a part on Eurovision or not, but I know that with every new Eastern country on FSC there are bigger chance for failure of Western countries. So Kazakstan, South Ossetia, Abkhazia are so welcomed

The language did descend from Illyrian. ^^ But even if they're not exactly the same, since many Illyrians were Slavicised, the point is that territory or any other is prone to change when it comes to ethnicity. I just don't understand why is it so hard to let it go.

 

[tuorem]

May I ask when is official deadline for countries to confirm their participation?

xyeah I'd like to know it too If someone knows...

 

[DanielLuis]

xyeah I'd like to know it too If someone knows...

It's usually in December.

 

[ElRuso]

[MENTION=5194]MyHeartIsYours[/MENTION] Well, since Kosovo has every right to be independent, why UK won't give independence to Northern Ireland, and in Scotland half of the voters wanted to break free from the UK (despite the strong pressure from London). Also, why you don't consider the Crimean referendum to be legitimate? It is the people's will to leave in Russia, right?

 

[Leydan]

[MENTION=5194]MyHeartIsYours[/MENTION] why UK won't give independence to Northern Ireland, and in Scotland half of the voters wanted to break free from the UK (despite the strong pressure from London)

That's actually totally incorrect, for starters our government allowed them to hold a referendum with little opposition to it. and in Scotland 55% chose to stay, why should Scotland be given independence because 45% wanted it? and in Northern Ireland they had a referendum in 1973 (yes, I know it's a long time ago) but 98.9% voted to remain in the UK. Even with a near even divide of Protestant to Catholics, they voted overwhelmingly to stay and even now, less than 20% want to join Ireland.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

[MENTION=5194]MyHeartIsYours[/MENTION] Well, since Kosovo has every right to be independent, why UK won't give independence to Northern Ireland, and in Scotland half of the voters wanted to break free from the UK (despite the strong pressure from London). Also, why you don't consider the Crimean referendum to be legitimate? It is the people's will to leave in Russia, right?

1) Northern Ireland and Scotland don't want to be independent. Over 80% of Northern Irish people wish to remain part of the United Kingdom, and in Scotland, the United Kingdom beat independence by over 12% - the result wasn't even close, despite having an unpopular government in London.
2) When have I ever said that I object to Crimea joining Russia if it's the will of the people? I object to holding a corrupt referendum with the Russian Army on the doorstep, however.
3) It's interesting that you say that London imposed "strong pressure" on Scotland, last time I checked media briefings and gathering international support is not as "strong" as lining tanks up on the border - as Russia seems to enjoy doing during referenda.
4) I've said several times that I'm not particularly concerned with the politics of this, the question is whether Kosovo is able to participate. And the answer to that is that it is, and therefore I welcome it to the Contest. In the same way I'd object to Israel being bullied out of Eurovision by any future Arabic participants, I will object to Kosovo being bullied out of the Contest by Serbia, Russia, or any other country.

 

[ElRuso]

1) Northern Ireland and Scotland don't want to be independent. Over 80% of Northern Irish people wish to remain part of the United Kingdom, and in Scotland, the United Kingdom beat independence by over 12% - the result wasn't even close, despite having an unpopular government in London.
2) When have I ever said that I object to Crimea joining Russia if it's the will of the people? I object to holding a corrupt referendum with the Russian Army on the doorstep, however.
3) It's interesting that you say that London imposed "strong pressure" on Scotland, last time I checked media briefings and gathering international support is not as "strong" as lining tanks up on the border - as Russia seems to enjoy doing during referenda.
4) I've said several times that I'm not particularly concerned with the politics of this, the question is whether Kosovo is able to participate. And the answer to that is that it is, and therefore I welcome it to the Contest. In the same way I'd object to Israel being bullied out of Eurovision by any future Arabic participants, I will object to Kosovo being bullied out of the Contest by Serbia, Russia, or any other country.

1) Have you asked Serbs, who lived there before NATO and KLA (that was listed by USA as terrorist organization) made the Serbian province basically independent through force. And when you hate all of the refugees coming to the UK, think that in 100 years they will want an independent country, saying that many generations lived there, will you be ok with it?
2) Basically, you use mutually exclusive paragraphs in your sentences. You say that you are ok with people's will, but not with the referendum (which is the only way of knowing it). And, BTW Russian fleet was in the Crimea, because Ukraine approved its presence there since 1991. Saying this is like saying, that British army was on the doorstep of Scotland during the referendum. Also, the Greeks have every right to say no on their referendum, but you want them to say only yes, because they may screw UK economy.
3) Of course, that's why even Andy Murray tweeted this: Huge day for Scotland today! no campaign negativity last few days totally swayed my view on it. excited to see the outcome. lets do this!
4) I won't talk about Abkhazia and South Ossetia, since I know your views on them, but will you object Palestine, if it wants to participate, bullying out by Israel-US-Theirallies?

[MENTION=12078]AshleyWright[/MENTION]

And why Kosovo is independent since there was no referendum?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

1) Have you asked Serbs, who lived there before NATO and KLA (that was listed by USA as terrorist organization) made the Serbian province basically independent through force. And when you hate all of the refugees coming to the UK, think that in 100 years they will want an independent country, saying that many generations lived there, will you be ok with it?
2) Basically, you use mutually exclusive paragraphs in your sentences. You say that you are ok with people's will, but not with the referendum (which is the only way of knowing it). And, BTW Russian fleet was in the Crimea, because Ukraine approved its presence there since 1991. Saying this is like saying, that British army was on the doorstep of Scotland during the referendum. Also, the Greeks have every right to say no on their referendum, but you want them to say only yes, because they may screw UK economy.
3) Of course, that's why even Andy Murray tweeted this: Huge day for Scotland today! no campaign negativity last few days totally swayed my view on it. excited to see the outcome. lets do this!
4) I won't talk about Abkhazia and South Ossetia, since I know your views on them, but will you object Palestine, if it wants to participate, bullying out by Israel-US-Theirallies?

[MENTION=12078]AshleyWright[/MENTION]

And why Kosovo is independent since there was no referendum?

1) You don't seem to grasp the fact that Kosovo had to become independent because the Yugoslav government was preparing to wipe out the population there, had ethnic cleansing not been started, then perhaps a federal Serbian nation would have worked.
2) I am not okay with a corrupt referendum no. If Crimea had held a free and fair election, held with the consent of the Ukrainian government and without the presence of the Russian military and Russian militias, I would see it as having been a valid vote. As it happens, although the referendum was wrong and inaccurate, from the evidence I've seen, I believe that the people of Crimea do wish to be part of Russia so personally I'm not too concerned with the outcome of the vote, but it is the principle behind it that is very concerning.
3) Andy Murray is known for being the brightest spark in the box isn't he (not). Whether or not a campaign is negative doesn't mean it is undemocratic or forcefully handled. Again, no mention from you of Russian tanks or infantry forces.
4) I don't know enough about Abkhazia/South Ossetia to have a view on them so how you know my views on them I don't know! As for Palestine, that is not a country, so no Eurovision participation for them.

 

[ElRuso]

According to [MENTION=5194]MyHeartIsYours[/MENTION]

Kosovo is a country

Recognized by these states

Palestine is not a counry

Recognized by these states

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Correct! You catch on quickly don't you...

 

[ElRuso]

Correct! You catch on quickly don't you...

Double standards, and you know that you are wrong. The fact that you becoming personal, says it all. From Andy Murray to me, everybody who thinks differently from you is dumb, yes. Palestine is recognized by more countries than Kosovo, and UK has the relations with it, you can't ignore it.

 

[DanielLuis]

This thread is going off the rails a little bit isn't it?

 

[Chorizo]

The curious thing is that they don't recognize each other. Well, that's really off-topic. Neither will compete next year anyway.

 

[joancamo]

Why is politics being discussed here when it shouldn't? :?

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Double standards, and you know that you are wrong. The fact that you becoming personal, says it all. From Andy Murray to me, everybody who thinks differently from you is dumb, yes. Palestine is recognized by more countries than Kosovo, and UK has the relations with it, you can't ignore it.

I don't think you're dumb you're just wrong and confused.

Palestine itself has bought into the two state solution plan there for accepts that it will not be a sovereign nation until Israel agrees. The United Kingdom recognises Kosovo as a sovereign nation, it recognises Palestine as being a territory under Israeli control. There's quite a difference.

 

[ElRuso]

I don't think you're dumb you're just wrong and confused.

Palestine itself has bought into the two state solution plan there for accepts that it will not be a sovereign nation until Israel agrees. The United Kingdom recognises Kosovo as a sovereign nation, it recognises Palestine as being a territory under Israeli control. There's quite a difference.

And Russia recognizes Palestine as a country, and doesn't recognize Kosovo at all. Why for Palestine Israel must agree that they are a state, and for Kosovo it doesn't matter if Serbia is against it.

Tell us why Kosovo is a country and Palestine is not.

As for UK and Palestine

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/14/israel-condemns-british-mps-vote-palestinian-state