YEARLY JURY HATE THREAD
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2014 they gave [1,1,1,1,1] to Denmark.
2015 they gave [1,1,1,1,1] to Latvia
2016 they gave [1,1,1,3,3] to Israel
2017 they gave [1,1,1,3,3] to Norway
2018 they gave [1,1,1,1,1] to Sweden
Yes, but if we stay objective, a professional Jurymember shoud put Cyprus at least in the Top15-20 if if it not his style.
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No, not true. XD I see reasons to put in 22nd. besides hating it for style. It was quite off-tone for me. I know it's because of their dancing, but it's a SONGcontest, so I can understand you put it 22nd. But I don't really want to hurt opinions so...
Good news: She definitely didn't listened to the bookmakers
No, not true. XD I see reasons to put in 22nd. besides hating it for style. It was quite off-tone for me. I know it's because of their dancing, but it's a SONGcontest, so I can understand you put it 22nd. But I don't really want to hurt opinions so...
Good news: She definitely didn't listened to the bookmakers
Agree with you. Besides not liking the song, objectively she was off-tone. I rather don't understand she made it second place.
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I do understand she made it too second place, I'm just pointing out reasons why you could put in on 22nd place. I, as a man, should put it higher.
Juries didnt slaughter Samra. She ad her Song was just not good enough to make it often into the Top10 of 26.
And Btw Benjamin had lots of Backingvocalists too.
I think juries should stop favoring radio-friendly songs at all costs because an entry in English that's both good and catchy is much less likely to be overlooked. If it's meant to be a hit, people will support it. It's kinda counterproductive to have so called professionals state the obvious and tell viewers where potential hits are. And it often leads to generic songs topping their rankings, which is ironic considering it's technically a song contest.
I don't say they shouldn't support radio-friendliness at all, but it should not be a prevailing criterion imo, supporting originality, arty and boundary-pushing efforts would definitely be more relevant and in line with the role experts should play.
Also, it would be nice if they stopped underrating Central and Eastern European countries. These days, it feels like voting with fairness means voting for Western or Northern Europe, even if the good stuff comes from elsewhere.
I don't say they shouldn't support radio-friendliness at all, but it should not be a prevailing criterion imo, supporting originality, arty and boundary-pushing efforts would definitely be more relevant and in line with the role experts should play.
Also, it would be nice if they stopped underrating Central and Eastern European countries. These days, it feels like voting with fairness means voting for Western or Northern Europe, even if the good stuff comes from elsewhere.
Countries like Austria, Hungary, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Georgia etc.. benefitted often by the Juries while Countries like Spain, Italy, Norway, Finland suffered often enough with the Juries.
The only Countries were there are clear tendencies to be preferred by the Juries are Malta and Australia and the other way round Russia (the opposite wouldnt make sense to be honest).
The only Countries were there are clear tendencies to be preferred by the Juries are Malta and Australia and the other way round Russia (the opposite wouldnt make sense to be honest).
It differs each year just like televoting, one year, the other is more political than the other, last year, the juries felt more political than the televoting, this year it was opposite. It´s only a lame excuse because those persons favorites got bashed by the juries, and they will make themselves look like complete morons if they blame the televoting, that´s why they take out all the anger on the juries
God, I just realised how extremely the EBU lied to us when they released those Numbers in 2013.
To Summarize this Thread:
- All 215 Jurymembers should sit together on a Table, foresee theTelevoting and vote exactly the Same
- "The Juries damaged my Favourites and therefore need to go"
- The Juries are not allowed to vote for Sweden nomatter what because the Juries in the last years did this
- Everyone must put Melovin in his Top10 or he is biased
- If the Juries vote for Israel or Cyprus, they are brainwashed by the bettingodds, but if they ignore them, they voted tactically
- The Juries are not allowed to vote for their Neighbours, but when they differ from the Public, they are bad too
- The Juries hate italian Language (while they halped Italy 5-9 Positions from 2011-2013)
- The Juries in RS/DE/AU/CY/SL/AM/GE/LV voted for Benjamin because hes from Sweden
- Montenegro is not allowed to give 12 and 10 to RS and AL, but Azerbaijan is allowed to give 12 and 10 to AL and RS
- The Juries try to be close to the Public (thats why they gave Albania highpoints, knowing that this song wouldnt score outside the Diaspora-Area)
- Björkman has the Power to influence some Juries
- The Juries have an "Slavic Anti-Bias" (while they helped Ukraine to win 2 years ago and helped UA/CZ to qualify 2012/2016 while they damaged western Countries like DE and AT)
Hopefully we can stay next year at least a bit objective while hating the Juries
- All 215 Jurymembers should sit together on a Table, foresee theTelevoting and vote exactly the Same
- "The Juries damaged my Favourites and therefore need to go"
- The Juries are not allowed to vote for Sweden nomatter what because the Juries in the last years did this
- Everyone must put Melovin in his Top10 or he is biased
- If the Juries vote for Israel or Cyprus, they are brainwashed by the bettingodds, but if they ignore them, they voted tactically
- The Juries are not allowed to vote for their Neighbours, but when they differ from the Public, they are bad too
- The Juries hate italian Language (while they halped Italy 5-9 Positions from 2011-2013)
- The Juries in RS/DE/AU/CY/SL/AM/GE/LV voted for Benjamin because hes from Sweden
- Montenegro is not allowed to give 12 and 10 to RS and AL, but Azerbaijan is allowed to give 12 and 10 to AL and RS
- The Juries try to be close to the Public (thats why they gave Albania highpoints, knowing that this song wouldnt score outside the Diaspora-Area)
- Björkman has the Power to influence some Juries
- The Juries have an "Slavic Anti-Bias" (while they helped Ukraine to win 2 years ago and helped UA/CZ to qualify 2012/2016 while they damaged western Countries like DE and AT)
Hopefully we can stay next year at least a bit objective while hating the Juries
RomanFromRussia
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Ok, if songs like "Dance you off" will recieve low scores from televotes, the contest will be a parody on itself with performances like Moldova 2018 and Denmark 2018. C'mon contest is alive due to increasing audience. And audience in going to be higher only in case if modern and contemporary entries can be high. ESC should be relevant to modern music standarts (I don't speak about losing uniqueness), but yeah juries are mostly were raised and living in the sphere of music and they better know the standarts than Eurofans. That's why I trust juries more than televote. For example, I prefer seeing Norway 2015 4th except 17th.
To Summarize this Thread:
- All 215 Jurymembers should sit together on a Table, foresee theTelevoting and vote exactly the Same
- "The Juries damaged my Favourites and therefore need to go"
- The Juries are not allowed to vote for Sweden nomatter what because the Juries in the last years did this
- Everyone must put Melovin in his Top10 or he is biased
- If the Juries vote for Israel or Cyprus, they are brainwashed by the bettingodds, but if they ignore them, they voted tactically
- The Juries are not allowed to vote for their Neighbours, but when they differ from the Public, they are bad too
- The Juries hate italian Language (while they halped Italy 5-9 Positions from 2011-2013)
- The Juries in RS/DE/AU/CY/SL/AM/GE/LV voted for Benjamin because hes from Sweden
- Montenegro is not allowed to give 12 and 10 to RS and AL, but Azerbaijan is allowed to give 12 and 10 to AL and RS
- The Juries try to be close to the Public (thats why they gave Albania highpoints, knowing that this song wouldnt score outside the Diaspora-Area)
- Björkman has the Power to influence some Juries
- The Juries have an "Slavic Anti-Bias" (while they helped Ukraine to win 2 years ago and helped UA/CZ to qualify 2012/2016 while they damaged western Countries like DE and AT)
Hopefully we can stay next year at least a bit objective while hating the Juries
It´s hardcore-fans, you are talking to deaf ears sadly
This shouldn't even be up for discussion... Ok so juries are more political one year, then the televotes are more political the other year etc. when we weigh it down juries are still less political you say and I won't argue with that but why were those juries even introduced? Yes, Diaspora voting, neighbour voting etc exists heavily in televoting and its bad but that's just the fans voting, you can't change that and you can't really do much about that. And the juries, what's their excuse on being even A LITTLE political. Those juries were introduced to bring a little balance and turn it into a fair contest as much as possible, they were supposed to do the entire opposite thing. And yea they surely brought in the balance as it is still as political as always. Juries simply get no free pass on being political and some juries being more political then their televoting is just unacceptable.
You miss understood me, I wanted to see examples for political Votings.
And why do you think the israelian and cypriot Juries obliged to vote for each other?
Btw. 2010 the german and azeri Juries gave each other 0 Points and I can tell you that at least from german Side, there was no tactical Voting. This swedish Ballads never worked here + Safura was overrated as hell.