YEARLY JURY HATE THREAD
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midnightsun
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Realest, you got me completely wrong. I didn’t write nor mean anything you claimed.
I also didn’t write anything about POINTS. I just commented on the fact (yes, fact!) that Sweden is always in the German top 10 jury result since 2012, most of the times even first or second. This gives me the impression that there must be something about Sweden that no matter what song they send they are always a jury favourite in Germsny. So you as a statistician - how probable is this? And how realistic is it that in some years all German members voted for the same No 1? I say there‘s something behind it but we will never know. But as long as I have the impression juries are not honest (see AZE/ARM) or neighbour countries still give each other points the Juries are complete pointless, imo. That‘s why I‘ve been starting to hate the juries. Especially the German jury because of course I follow their actions more closely than other countries‘ juries.
I also didn’t write anything about POINTS. I just commented on the fact (yes, fact!) that Sweden is always in the German top 10 jury result since 2012, most of the times even first or second. This gives me the impression that there must be something about Sweden that no matter what song they send they are always a jury favourite in Germsny. So you as a statistician - how probable is this? And how realistic is it that in some years all German members voted for the same No 1? I say there‘s something behind it but we will never know. But as long as I have the impression juries are not honest (see AZE/ARM) or neighbour countries still give each other points the Juries are complete pointless, imo. That‘s why I‘ve been starting to hate the juries. Especially the German jury because of course I follow their actions more closely than other countries‘ juries.
Well, since:
- We have every year 5 different Jurymembers
- Sweden sents always another Song
- Sweden has always been an overall Jury-Topfavorite
- Germany and Sweden are no political Allies
Theres nothing suspicious about it. We dont know if our Jury from last year e.g. would have given 12 Points to Benjamin or Loreen as well.
That the German Jury cheats when it comes to the First Place is obvious.
Regarding Neighbourvoting... Although many People say this, Juries have never been reintroduced to prevent Neighbourvoting, to intentionally ignore their Neighbours or to transfer the Points from east to west and west to east. Juries should of course be allowed to give their 12 Points to Neighbourcountries if it makes Sense. This year Some Juries gave 12 Points to their Neighbours, Some Gave high Points (7-10), some gave Medium Points (4-6), Some gave Low Points (1-3) and some gave their Neighbours 0. In my Eyes its a good Mixture and proves that most of the Juries dont vote Geographicwise.
The Juryshow:
https://ok.ru/video/690048928265
Some Impressions by me:
-Sweden and Austria delivered
- Ukraine and Czech Rep. struggled vocally
- Australia was worlds better which makes the High Juryscore more understandable
- Moldova was perfect. Cant understand why 37 Jurymember had them last
- Denmark was even more powerful, but its probably hard to find a free spot in the Top10 for Jurymembers.
- France was less nervous
I think the EBU should find a way to make Juries judge the Grandfinal. 30-40 Minutes should be enough for:
a) The Juries to deliver their Vote (maybe 8-10 Minutes, they should make notices during the show and prepare it before the Recap starts)
b) for the Auditors to calculate (10-15 Minutes)
c) to deliver the Votes to the Spokespersons and to Jon Ola Sand (5-10 Minutes)
I think the Juryscores may have changed from -20 to +20 if the Juries watched the Same Show.
https://ok.ru/video/690048928265
Some Impressions by me:
-Sweden and Austria delivered
- Ukraine and Czech Rep. struggled vocally
- Australia was worlds better which makes the High Juryscore more understandable
- Moldova was perfect. Cant understand why 37 Jurymember had them last
- Denmark was even more powerful, but its probably hard to find a free spot in the Top10 for Jurymembers.
- France was less nervous
I think the EBU should find a way to make Juries judge the Grandfinal. 30-40 Minutes should be enough for:
a) The Juries to deliver their Vote (maybe 8-10 Minutes, they should make notices during the show and prepare it before the Recap starts)
b) for the Auditors to calculate (10-15 Minutes)
c) to deliver the Votes to the Spokespersons and to Jon Ola Sand (5-10 Minutes)
I think the Juryscores may have changed from -20 to +20 if the Juries watched the Same Show.
In fact, even back in the old days when there was only 100% jury, they didn´t base their votes on the actual broadcast, the audio on the very last dress rehearsal on the afternoon of the final day was sent out to all the juries around Europe and during the interval act, they had time to do some final deliberations if they so wish
One thing EBU should do though is to make say 1:30 of every countries performance from the Jury Final available on YT so people can see those performances that the Jury saw (which maybe can prevent some of this hate and shitstorm the Jury get´s each year)
lolita
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Wow, I am not sure if I am right, but I think that quality of video and sound from this link is much better than all those videos uploaded on the official ESC Youtube channel.
It looks and sounds better, to me.
Lindon
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I already saw on the day of the final the last 2 minutes of Cesár Sampson's performance, and so I was totally puzzled when the guy on wiwibl.. stated that Cesár was totally off key during his jury performance and so he placed a bet (!) in London that Austria would be last. Good bye money, good bye reputation.
The jury show also has another purpose. In case of catastrophic technical failure on the evening of the final they switch to the jury stream and are able to present a result. If that had happened Austria would have been the winner.
I saw that practice at work in another case, of course it wasn't a contest. It was an ORF live transmission of an open air classic concert as suddenly a heavy thunderstorm broke loose. The had already taped the concert on the evening before and changed to that stream.
Exactly, if anything happens during the live broadcast such as electric malfunction or something simular, the jury final will be broadcast immediate
lavieenrose
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Reading this thread back like
And that encore performance was everything! Obrigado RTP! 
LalehForWD
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lavieenrose
Albania Superstar
Why do you spell the word "shit" with a blurp?
That is not my choice. You can "thank"
censors for that -_-
LalehForWD
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That is not my choice. You can "thank"
It could be worse though
Very interesting, thx. Surprising how gender and age vote so atypically sometimes.
A bit hate:
- Greece and Cyprus Juries gave 10-12 Points to Azerbaijan and its so obvious that it had nothing to do with the weak Song, but because they hope for a collaboration with Kontoupoulos and/or Evangelinos. Also they put Armenia last. Coincidence? But at least Greece got what it deserved after all.
- Russias Jury gave 12 Points to Moldova. One of the 5 Members was seen in Kirkorovs new Musicvideo and put Moldova on #1
- Greece and Cyprus Juries gave 10 Points to Moldova, probably because of Evangelinos
- Albanias Jury had the Same Top10
- Belarus Jury had Cyprus on #15 in the Semi and #1 in the Final
- Germanys Jury cheated as always
- Israels Jury had Cyprus on #1 in the Semi and #15 in the Final
- Macedonias Jury had Bulgaria on #1 in the Semi and #16 in the Final
- Lotte () put Cyprus on #23. WTH? Who even is she?
- Greece and Cyprus Juries gave 10-12 Points to Azerbaijan and its so obvious that it had nothing to do with the weak Song, but because they hope for a collaboration with Kontoupoulos and/or Evangelinos. Also they put Armenia last. Coincidence? But at least Greece got what it deserved after all.
- Russias Jury gave 12 Points to Moldova. One of the 5 Members was seen in Kirkorovs new Musicvideo and put Moldova on #1
- Greece and Cyprus Juries gave 10 Points to Moldova, probably because of Evangelinos
- Albanias Jury had the Same Top10
- Belarus Jury had Cyprus on #15 in the Semi and #1 in the Final
- Germanys Jury cheated as always
- Israels Jury had Cyprus on #1 in the Semi and #15 in the Final
- Macedonias Jury had Bulgaria on #1 in the Semi and #16 in the Final
- Lotte (
) put Cyprus on #23. WTH? Who even is she?
Lindon
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Lotte (22), musician and songwriter from Ravensburg, published her debut album "Querfeldein" in September of last year and celebrated her first chart success. Her singles "Auf Beiden Beinen" and "Pauken" were heard on the radio, and in April she played an almost sold out tour in Germany in the big clubs of the country.
Never heard of her before.
I can hear and see why she is an unlikely fan of Eleni.
She reminds me a little of the young unfortunate " He She It" singer in the 2014 German jury.
Never heard of her before.
I can hear and see why she is an unlikely fan of Eleni.
She reminds me a little of the young unfortunate " He She It" singer in the 2014 German jury.
