You were speaking exactly out what I was feeling. I think there should be less influence by the Jury (like 20%) or ESC should Abandon the Jury. There should only be televotes. How can such less people dictate over millions? Something I never understood. Agree about everything you said.
YEARLY JURY HATE THREAD
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You were speaking exactly out what I was feeling. I think there should be less influence by the Jury (like 20%) or ESC should Abandon the Jury. There should only be televotes. How can such less people dictate over millions? Something I never understood. Agree about everything you said.
I knew Austria would do better with the jury, but his performance wasn't good at all. He looked scared and confused on stage. There was nothing really happening, more like an Idol performance of an inexperienced singer.
I get that qualification could be justified, but having him win the final with the jury vote over so many other artists that had a lot more charisma, stage presence and even a good staging too. And the Austrian song isn't anything special or something that was highly prized. The jury voting was incredibly awkward. Once again the televoters did a much better job.
This would be the Televoting, if the EBU got rid of the Stupid 12 Points-System and instead used a 20 Points-System [20,18,16,14,12,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1].
In my Eyes its a Compromise, since it
a) reduces the Diaspora-Influence
b) reflects the Reality in the Table-Midfield much better
c) is still easy to get for casual Viewers.
In my Eyes its a Compromise, since it
a) reduces the Diaspora-Influence
b) reflects the Reality in the Table-Midfield much better
c) is still easy to get for casual Viewers.
BernadetteCydonia
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Lol @ Australia suffering from being in top 20 of most other televotings while in so little top 10s. Same for Sweden.
You apparently forgot how often Slavic Countries like Czech Republic (2016+2017), or Ukraine (2010,2012!!!,2014,2016) benefitted by Juries or that western/nordic Countries like Germany (2011,2012,2013,2016) or Sweden (2009,2010!!!!,2011) suffered with Juries, so there you have your Prove that nothing was based on geography. Also Hungary would have been eliminated 2012 and 2015 without Juries, so its only equalizing over the Years. Sometimes those Countries benefit by the Juries, sometimes they suffer. How it is supposed to be.
lolita
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Also Frans-2016 (If I Were Sorry) came only 9th with the juries, but 6th with the public, public loved him more than juries, even though whole fandom hated him more than they hated Benjamin.
That thing that Sweden is always in juries' top 3 or top 5 is not even true. Most of the years they were, but NOT ALWAYS, and their songs were NEVER such a huge disaster, so why won't jury vote for them, just because fandom is not fond of the song? 
Fans either way think that ESC is not place for commercial, generic, mainstream music, and I strongly disagree, because we should have all types of the songs here. I don't want any genre to get cut-off, whether it is about pop, plastic pop, metal, rock, jazz, etc. Everything is allowed and needed on the ESC. 
BernadetteCydonia
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ESC fans actually think ESC is the place just for the commercial pop because of juries actually slandering more extreme-sounding songs (well... those that don't do well enough in the odds). And even the songs of Hungary that jury saved weren't that completely extreme (2012 was electronic music and not all electronic music is killed by the jury, plus it's one of the usually lesser talked about Hungarian entries in general; 2015 was just plain boring and relied on its 'love love peace peace' message more than the sound of the song, which is kind of insulting, plus Russia had a similar yet more lyrically lighthearted topic in their song but at least it had a stronger melody, so of course juries would slurp that up lol).
But I agree, ESC needs more variety in genres... and thay they actually get REWARDED rather than outright bottom 5 finishers.
But I agree, ESC needs more variety in genres... and thay they actually get REWARDED rather than outright bottom 5 finishers.
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lolita
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Don't be sad.
For me, all songs, 26 from 26, were pretty good in final, so I understand even why some good songs came among last in televoting or with the juries, it was hard to decide. I really can find something good in every song of these 26, even in those songs that are not my top favorites. These were the Jurypoints to Sweden from us in the Last 9 years: 0,0,12,12,5,10,10,4,12
Wheres your Problem?
Don't be sad.
That is actually very true. This was a good ESC year with many good songs. And you are very right when you say that you can find mostly a good thing about a song. Even many Songs that ended up in the semis were good. Sad that we need to push out good ones as well.:?
midnightsun
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It's getting annoying. You seem way too eager in proving I am wrong. Who cares about the POINTS that were given by the juries when in the end, all that counts is Sweden was often Germany's No.1 or 2 in the final jury top 10 rank the last years. And by the way, that was ALL I was saying. The German jury love for Sweden is obvious, no matter what you're trying to say. Also, I thought I made it clear that it is MY subjective opinion. So once again: I think we have written enough about this subject, can we now move on to more important stuff why to hate the juries?
It's getting annoying. You seem way too eager in proving I am wrong. Who cares about the POINTS that were given by the juries when in the end, all that counts is Sweden was often Germany's No.1 or 2 in the final jury top 10 rank the last years. And by the way, that was ALL I was saying. The German jury love for Sweden is obvious, no matter what you're trying to say. Also, I thought I made it clear that it is MY subjective opinion. So once again: I think we have written enough about this subject, can we now move on to more important stuff why to hate the juries?
No, but after having read again this Thread I discovered this Comment and had the Impression that you assume we have every year the Same 5 Jurymember who give Points to Sweden nomatter what. But we dont know how the Jury from last year would have ranked Benjamin.
Midnightsun didn't write anywhere that it is the same Jury every year. Read more correctly! And I agree with her about Sweden being lliked way too much by our juries.
I know that she didnt say that directly. But "How many years did the German jury give their 12 to Sweden?" or "Sweden being lliked way too much by our juries. " means more or less the Same like that our Jury next year who consists of 5 completely different Members than before shouldnt give Points to Sweden nomatter what the Song is.
But Juries shouldn't influence each other and it is very obvious that they did. But argueing with you is meaningless because you think your argumentation is right and others wrong. So just let us stop, brings us nowhere.
I didnt start arguing with you
And also I agree that the German Jurymembers always influence each other when it comes to the 12 Points. But that has nothing to do with the Actual Topic that Sweden often get highpoints from us.
lolita
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Oh, this is so true, I agree. I was so sad that many good songs have stayed in the semis, but this year is extremely strong. We rarely have it, so good year like this.