UNITED KINGDOM 2011 - Blue - I Can

[Quent91]

Is anyone else like me and actually can't wait for esc2012? I hate the week after eurovision.

+1.00

 

[adamsamways]

Is anyone else like me and actually can't wait for esc2012? I hate the week after eurovision.

No I'm exactly the same lol I pretty much get PED (Post-euro depression) haha Only around 6months untl Albania will start choosing though! Roll on eurovision 2012!!

 

[deese]

I have a lot of friends here who were about to vote for the UK but when they heard the performance everyone was sooo disappointed. As a resut we gave you only 2 points instead of 7 or 8.

 

[Sean]

I agree completely. You know what would be awesome? A Melodifestavalien/X Factor style contest. But knowing the BBC that will NEVER happen.

Ooh, I feel a petition coming on!

 

[adamsamways]

Ooh, I feel a petition coming on!

I like that idea as long as the contestants are singing songs for eurovision and not just singing cover songs to be chosen to be our entry (like in 2009 - although was successful, 2010 was a disaster)

A melodifestivalen style contest would be great with original songs though and would really encourage the acts to up their performances and compete to win the ticket to Azerbaijan!

 

[Cjs45]

Well, I'm very happy with the result, much better than last year. Glad we didn't win, too much hype over such a plain song. Shame, even after 11th place, people here are still banging on about bad results and fixed voting, people in this country never learn. It's like people are never satisfied unless the UK wins the whole thing, so damn annoying.

The guys worked hard no doubt, but the bad draw, and the bad vocal performance killed their chances, and again the UK get the award for one of the silliest stage shows, I mean come on, those screen thingies were awful and unnecessary, whose idea was that?

Well, after this result, we're back to square one now, with all the drama Blue had to put up with for doing Eurovision, I don't think there will be many willing to step forward and take on the hard task of representing the UK in the contest.

 

[doctormalisimo]

Ooh, I feel a petition coming on!

I'm having a bitch fit

 

[Samb]

but the bad draw

14/25 is not a 'bad draw', neither is being wedged between what many people considered weak entries. The fact of the matter is that BiH, Denmark, Ireland, Sweden, Greece and Italy had 'worse' draws by that logic, yet still placed higher than the UK.

 

[Cjs45]

14/25 is not a 'bad draw', neither is being wedged between what many people considered weak entries. The fact of the matter is that BiH, Denmark, Ireland, Sweden, Greece and Italy had 'worse' draws by that logic, yet still placed higher than the UK.

Hmm yes, you're right in this case.

 

[PeterLPZ]

I think, the biggest problem yesterday was the bad vocal performance. The show wasn´t bad, but I think, if they would have sing better, they would get higher places. But after last years last place, the 11th place is really good comeback.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

This is the typical British arrogance i've come to expect here. The idea that the UK song *must* have been the best, was *completely* flawless and blaming the disappointing position by the politics of the event! First of all, this is the first Eurasian country to ever win out of the new system, with the last two being Western European countries. Like the last two years, the general trend was voters going for the songs they liked, and this reflected in strong showings for Italy - GASP! Another 'Western' country!

There were a lot of strong songs this year, making it one of the best contests for a while in my opinion. Blue got edged out across the board, not helped by an under-par performance and cheesy stage show. Why not actually look at the contest trends and what might be wrong with the selection process in the UK before throwing your toys out of the pram and blaming the system. No wonder nobody votes for UK if all of Europe thinks we hold the same arrogant attitude as yours!

British arrogance... hardly, more like patriotic and not lying about the fact that there's a big problem with the voting.
I know you love to take my quotes completely out of context and portray me as a baddie, as you have done here but I will stick to my opinion as I know it's the truth.

You claim that Im blaming the 11th place on political voting - untrue. In fact, if you look in another thread, I said that political voting has been successfully wiped out since 2009 . Bloc voting is what I have, a perfectly legitimate, problem with. It prevents outsider countries such as our own scoring many 10's and 12's because the votes go to the neighbours. We got votes from virtually nearly all the countries last night - mostly between 3 points and 7 points. Now in the countries which belong to a bloc, they gave us say 7 points with 8, 10 and 12's to their neighbours. Now if that neighbourly voting was removed, it would have left us with a 12 pointer = quite obviously affecting the result. The United Kingdom had more consensus across the whole continent than most songs last night but we failed to achieve more points because as I said we were knocked down to 6's and 7's by bloc voting. You can look at it differently, I dont care, but that's my opinion .

Blue couldnt have done any better than they did, I've listened to the performance many times today and imo they were perfect - they did so much promo for us around Europe and in the United Kingdom - they're responsible along with Jedward in more than doubling viewing figures. I wouldnt have wanted any different selection this year and Im proud Blue were our representatives, it's not their fault that they didnt get top 5.

And your last sentence implies that political voting does occur so perhaps quit the hypocrisy first before attacking others .

 

[vaxjoe]

Clearly Blue together with other countries had sound problems..btw im loving "I Can"!

 

[Samb]

You claim that Im blaming the 11th place on political voting - untrue. In fact, if you look in another thread, I said that political voting has been successfully wiped out since 2009 . Bloc voting is what I have, a perfectly legitimate, problem with. It prevents outsider countries such as our own scoring many 10's and 12's because the votes go to the neighbours. We got votes from virtually nearly all the countries last night - mostly between 3 points and 7 points. Now in the countries which belong to a bloc, they gave us say 7 points with 8, 10 and 12's to their neighbours. Now if that neighbourly voting was removed, it would have left us with a 12 pointer = quite obviously affecting the result. The United Kingdom had more consensus across the whole continent than most songs last night but we failed to achieve more points because as I said we were knocked down to 6's and 7's by bloc voting. You can look at it differently, I dont care, but that's my opinion

This theory does not hold much truck, and actually negates the very reasoning behind the bloc voting and shared culture phenomenon. The instances of the Greek-Cypriot trade for instance do not exclusively lie on the basing of political support for Greek-influenced Cyprus, but a shared cultural and national heritage, thus resulting in appeal songs. The almost consistent UK-Ireland bloc has crumpled - the key question is why, and this has not been engaged here. The UK in the past could expect a higher vote from the Irish, and this has not materialised due to the relative weakness of the UK entry this year. There also is no engagement with why this bloc seemed to magically disappear over the past couple of years, yet apparently resurged this year. As such, we are left with no clear analysis from yourself.

The usual arrogance is again displayed in the proud, almost smug 'you may see things differently, but I don't care' attitude. If you "don't care" then I suggest you either stop engaging in what is a discussion forum, or keep playing on the asinine 'game' sections where you can 'play' at counting up and naming countries starting with a 'C' to atificially boost your post count even more.

Blue couldnt have done any better than they did, I've listened to the performance many times today and imo they were perfect

I think characterising the ropy-vocals and poor stage set-up as "perfect" betrays a certain element of delusion.

And your last sentence implies that political voting does occur so perhaps quit the hypocrisy first before attacking others

I see sarcasm doesn't communicate well through the internet, or particularly towards yourself in general.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

This theory does not hold much truck, and actually negates the very reasoning behind the bloc voting and shared culture phenomenon. The instances of the Greek-Cypriot trade for instance do not exclusively lie on the basing of political support for Greek-influenced Cyprus, but a shared cultural and national heritage, thus resulting in appeal songs. The almost consistent UK-Ireland bloc has crumpled - the key question is why, and this has not been engaged here. The UK in the past could expect a higher vote from the Irish, and this has not materialised due to the relative weakness of the UK entry this year. There also is no engagement with why this bloc seemed to magically disappear over the past couple of years, yet apparently resurged this year. As such, we are left with no clear analysis from yourself.

The usual arrogance is again displayed in the proud, almost smug 'you may see things differently, but I don't care' attitude. If you "don't care" then I suggest you either stop engaging in what is a discussion forum, or keep playing on the asinine 'game' sections where you can 'play' at counting up and naming countries starting with a 'C' to atificially boost your post count even more.

I see sarcasm doesn't communicate well through the internet, or particularly towards yourself in general.

The Greek/Cyprus 12 points is political crap, Im sorry to inform you, hence why it gets booed like hell in the hall. Defendants of the bloc voting always use that 'oh it's shared language/shared culture/shared music' whatever, and Id accept that if it didnt happen over and over again for years, in both the SemiFinals and Finals. The problematic bloc voting appeared to be put to sleep in 2009/2010 but it was back this year and there's no point saying otherwise. I know how much you care for giving the British public a say in selecting our entry so are you prepared the listen the the majority of Eurovision viewers who believe that bloc voting exists, or are you just going to ignore them?

And dont suggest what I should do thanks, I know you like to think not but I am capable of knowing what a discussion forum is about, believe it or not. You've obviously been checking all of my posts back through time as I have not been on those games since last year :?.

As for sarcasm, it's the lowest form of wit.

 

[Samb]

Sorry you got your a*s handed to you by FallenAngel in the bloc voting thread, but it doesn't mean you scurry away to try and validate yourself here.

The Greek/Cyprus 12 points is political crap

Yet both have the same music industry and market.

Id accept that if it didnt happen over and over again for years, in both the SemiFinals and Finals.

So you completely ignore trends when they inconvenience you?

there's no point saying otherwise

Yet you have no reasoning or explanation for this.

so are you prepared the listen the the majority of Eurovision viewers who believe that bloc voting exists, or are you just going to ignore them?

This board isn't a 'majority' in any-sense of the word. Why don't you show me some statistics? Also, this doesn't make any sense at all. The 'majority' of Eurovision viewers, or significant minority, by your definition, voted in line with the pattern trend as shown in the general votes and thus backing a strong Azerbaijani support. I liked the Azerbaijan song, but I didn't vote for it. Does this mean, by your logic, that I was duty bound to vote for this entry?

I am capable of knowing what a discussion forum is about, believe it or not

I don't.

I have not been on those games since last year

...where you gave your post count a very healthy bump indeed!

As for sarcasm, it's the lowest form of wit.

Making jokes does not come naturally to me i'm afraid. When it comes to your postings in the Politics section however, it seems it does to yourself.

 

[danuk]

Just watched the final again, and IMHO Blue were out of tune, very quiet and needed to be a lot more powerful.

As for 2012, apparently JLS are interested...

 

[Synergise]

It was an OK performance. We didn't deserve to win to be honest, but it would have been nice to get a top 10 placing. 11th is a bit of a... meh place

 

[danuk]

yer, 10th sounds better

 

[Matt]

Vocally it was far from flawless which is probably why it just didn't score as high as I thought it would. In addition, the performance seemed kinda forced and uncomfortable and I didn't understand those self promoting portraits and videos during the performance. A lot of people I talked to didn't get it (in the audience that is) so why I still thought they would make top 10 I'm not that surprised TBH. But I want to give a nice Shoutout to Blue and thank them for trying and taking the contest seriously and I hope the UK will continue sending songs that are relevant and current.

 

[bashers]

With all these people saying our vocals werent very strong and staging was poor; fair enough. However can you really say hand on your heart say Moldova, Greece and Germany were any better?! Jesus! Moldova were diabolical with stupid costumes and terrible vocals (worse than Blue. If you say they were good then mayeb you're deluded). Greece's rapper was ridiculously bad...not even the singer could have saved it! Im annoyed it did so well.

I dont believe our song was good enough to win (only because of the vocals) but our mics were low...nothing to do with the singing at some points. The actual screens were not the best invention for the song but hey! Cant have everything! Sand Art only won Ukraine a top 5 position. Lets face it!