Ukraine UKRAINE 2019 - not taking part

[A-lister]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

yeah i still believe they will end up allowing maruv to save face, specially if kazka refuse to sign. HOPE NEVER DIES. *flings heels out of stage*

I have a feeling she'll go in the end as well.. however she also created a shitstorm herself so not sure anymore ... she shouldn't have done this publicly tbh

 

[Carian]

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First, [MENTION=9563]Odalis[/MENTION], your proposal gave me good laugh

Secondly, Jamala thinks that ESC is a political arena. I said this three years ago, and now she confirmed it. Thank you, Jamala.

Thirdly, only an act that never made stage appearance in Russia can represent Ukraine. Right, . Previous representantives of Ukraine in ESC are megastars in Russia and are well respected artists that make very good money by touring in Russia. And they don't get hatred from Russians, which Russians seem to get from Ukrainian authorities. Examples: Ani Lorak, Svetlana Loboda etc.

Fourth, Russians are having such a blast right now, laughing so hard when listening to news from Kiev.

Fifth, I hope that Maruv still gets the right to represent Ukraine this year. She's earned this right and she should go.

Ukraine, keep politics out of ESC!

 

[AlekS]

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the draconian conditions they wanted to put MARUV through.

Gurl wut?!

The only parts of the contract that were different from the previous 3 years:

1. No concerts in Russia during the next 3 months after Vidbir.
2. She should cover her expenses.

She agreed with both items. Everything else basically copies the EBU demands for all participating broadcasters


She didn't agree with EBU's demands so I put the blame on her too.



ps. Even if she agreed she would have been banned in any case. This is what gets me the most.

 

[BorisBubbles]

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Gurl wut?!

The only parts of the contract that were different from the previous 3 years:

1. No concerts in Russia during the next 3 months after Vidbir.
2. She should cover her expenses.

She agreed with both items. Everything else basically copies the EBU demands for all participating broadcasters


She didn't agree with EBU's demands so I put the blame on her too.



ps. Even if she agreed she would have been banned in any case.

So you're saying that the 2 million fines and "no agency in the staging" parts are part of the regular EBU contract?

 

[Kitakaze]

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This is outrageous. I hope they reconsider their conditions and somehow manage to work something out. Otherwise they need to be penalised by the EBU or withdraw completely. This is such a waste and totally unacceptable.

 

[QwaarJet]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

So it's either withdrawal or picking from one of the other acts, it seems.

 

[AlekS]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

So you're saying that the 2 million fines and "no agency in the staging" parts are part of the regular EBU contract?

that's 65 000 €. Yes. And most definitely they meant something highly erotic like bearing breasts etc.
+ if doing something which wasn't approved by ESC techies (different choreo, different lyrics) is prohibited then why shouldn't it be fined by the EBU?

 

[A-lister]

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This is outrageous. I hope they reconsider their conditions and somehow manage to work something out. Otherwise they need to be penalised by the EBU or withdraw completely. This is such a waste and totally unacceptable.

I don't get why people say that they should be penalized? EBU has nothing to do with local selections and what do we know about other broadcasters' winner's contracts really? Maruv made it publicly (we still haven't heard the side of the broadcaster though), but what about other contracts? What about internal selections in some countries (what's going on there behind closed doors?), what about jury votes in others? are they fair? bought? Are televotes actually calculated accurate in some countries? Do chosen acts have connections with the broadcasters in others?... etc. etc. etc. ... point being, EBU has no reason nor right to "penalize" Ukraine, maybe their selection turned messy (we only know part of this and what some trolls are flooding the internet with) but then so what? It's up to broadcasters to choose their entrants as they wish. Like I wrote, this is the first time I can recall an act publicly revealing bits of her contract, it's all pretty odd and seems like she's milking for something.

 

[BorisBubbles]

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that's 65 000 €. Yes. And most definitely they meant something highly erotic like bearing breasts etc.
+ if doing something which wasn't approved by ESC techies (different choreo, different lyrics) is prohibited then why shouldn't it be fined by the EBU?

but if that's the case and she's disagreeing with the EBU rules, then why did she say wanted to go earlier? Why did she then agree to participate in vidbir? Are you telling me she was UNAWARE of the rules before entering? How come she didn't mention the contract in her withdrawal statement?

Just asking for clarification. This entire story changes CONSTANTLY and I have no clue wtf is going on anymore.

 

[pastablanche]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

However, Sveta Pankova, MÉLOVIN’s PR manager, confirmed through a Facebook post that there were indeed other differences between the two contracts:

“No fines have been prescribed in our contract. Moreover, not in the preparatory stage, nor in Portugal were we told what to do in the number, what elements in it can’t be added, where we can’t walk and what to say.”

this is taken from the wiwi article lol so idk if it's accurate

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

Well this is disappointing! It was a great song.

 

[Odalis]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

Gurl wut?!

The only parts of the contract that were different from the previous 3 years:

1. No concerts in Russia during the next 3 months after Vidbir.
2. She should cover her expenses.
She agreed with both items. Everything else basically copies the EBU demands for all participating broadcasters

She didn't agree with EBU's demands so I put the blame on her too.

ps. Even if she agreed she would have been banned in any case. This is what gets me the most.

This contract SHOULD be signed by all artists taking part in the national selection BEFORE it even starts.
Printed in huge bold letters, signed, laminated, framed, hanged on the wall in front of every act's eyes.
The winner's contract runs until Eurovision finishes. Contracts of those who didn't win expire immediately.
Easy, plain solution. Was it so hard to do from the get go? Brunettes Shoot Blondes even said they had NO clue artists pay for the whole sheebang.
Broadcaster is the only one to blame, period.

 

[Alaska49]

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UABC is sooooooo idiotic for not airing their side of negotiations the moment maruv went public with hers. if they have any s of a point in offering maruv a contract she had to refuse, then we should know. otherwise the blame will and should be placed 100% on them, specially with the whole "she is not fit to be an ambassador of ukraine" crap. it really makes it look like politicians made her get out, so if it's not the case, then show us why.

i do agree that ebu shouldn't do anything though. if it's not in tel aviv, it's not their problem to solve, and i would never trust them to solve it properly anyway after 2017.

 

[njdevils94]

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So her statement was a lie saying she would cancel her concerts.

https://eurovoix.com/2019/02/25/ukr...id-not-agree-to-cancel-appearances-in-russia/

 

[WhoKnows]

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So her statement was a lie saying she would cancel her concerts.

https://eurovoix.com/2019/02/25/ukr...id-not-agree-to-cancel-appearances-in-russia/

It's hard to know whom to believe anymore. A channel representative confirmed that Maruv was, in fact, willing to cancel her appearances in Russia.

 

[QwaarJet]

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As A-Lister suspected, there are 2 sides to this story.

 

[Ausesken]

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If I was a politician in Ukraine I would see more benefits in sending a song that would probably succeed in front of Russia's weapon, Sergey Lazarev, even if it means giving the artist the freedom to be herself in Eurovision. If you want to be belligerent, at least be clever.

 

[Vondenburg]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

Aren't there elections in Ukraine end of march?

 

[Kitakaze]

Re: UKRAINE 2019

I don't get why people say that they should be penalized? EBU has nothing to do with local selections and what do we know about other broadcasters' winner's contracts really? Maruv made it publicly (we still haven't heard the side of the broadcaster though), but what about other contracts? What about internal selections in some countries (what's going on there behind closed doors?), what about jury votes in others? are they fair? bought? Are televotes actually calculated accurate in some countries? Do chosen acts have connections with the broadcasters in others?... etc. etc. etc. ... point being, EBU has no reason nor right to "penalize" Ukraine, maybe their selection turned messy (we only know part of this and what some trolls are flooding the internet with) but then so what? It's up to broadcasters to choose their entrants as they wish. Like I wrote, this is the first time I can recall an act publicly revealing bits of her contract, it's all pretty odd and seems like she's milking for something.

Regardless of other private ongoings, this simply goes against the ethos and standards of the contest. Artists shouldn’t be scrutinised for performing and furthering their career, nor should they be stipulated to engage in political propaganda. It’s negative publicity for the contest and it more importantly disencourages artists from competing. Some action needs to be taken so as not to allow this to happen again or to set an example to other broadcasters who would try to exploit artists for a political agenda.

 

[AlekS]

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but if that's the case and she's disagreeing with the EBU rules, then why did she say wanted to go earlier? Why did she then agree to participate in vidbir? Are you telling me she was UNAWARE of the rules before entering? How come she didn't mention the contract in her withdrawal statement?

Just asking for clarification. This entire story changes CONSTANTLY and I have no clue wtf is going on anymore.

She saw the Vidbir rules but they are not the same with EBU's rules Only the winner receives those rules, like it's done in Italy