Ukraine UKRAINE 2019 - not taking part

[Yoozek]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

Jesus. This sounds like our TVP gonna be in 20 years. And still she's doing it. Got even more points from the depths of my black frozen heart.

 

[hijirio]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

I'm so sad about the psychological war started by UABC against her.
I felt a deep cringe in my body when I saw Maruv's face replying to Jamala's all out-of-place question. I don't judge the question itself, she must really know what to expect before going to Tel Aviv, but asking that in front of dozens of cameras and millions watching was nothing but a cheap show.
She won people's vote and deserves to represent Ukraine at ESC.

However, I'm also tired out of all the drama every year. Since 2016, every winner had a drama going on. Maybe it's a sign for Maruv, who knows?

On the other hand, I am starting to get worried that from now on artists will be using drama-initiating situations to create publicity till May. I don't think Maruv does that, I am really convinced by her story. But actually one of the singers from 2019 really pushes me to think that way. You probably know who I'm talking about.

 

[Fierro]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

Melovin: "We are with you!"

I think they hate her because KAZKA didn't win

 

[Mykola]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

I will not point out how draconian that contract it, that has already been done extensively by everyone in this thread. However, isn't this the same contract the other Ukrainian entrants had to sign, because I suspect that it is. I remember for instance that Svetlana Loboda had to sell her flat to finance her Moscow2009 entry, which she had to do herself. Forcing MARUV to cancel her other gigs sucks because she's an established singer, but again, she KNEW this upon applying to Vidbir AND she agreed to go to Teller Aweave anyway, so.

If it is indeed the same contract, MARUV will have some agency in the decisions, if heavily restricted. The lack of improv isn't necessarily bad. UABC wants to do well, and want to know in advance what they can expect from MARUV. If she wants give Miki a lapdance or blast Sergey Lazarev with a smoke cannon during her performance, don't you think the broadcaster should know in advance? Nobody at Eurovision improvises their performance (with the exception Old Chinpubes, but was the entire point of his performance) because if you do, you probably lack a plan and are destined to fail. That MARUV isn't allowed to do anything she wants is inherently a good thing for her chances. It means her act will be created in concencus with and with the collaboration of the delegation, people who have knowledge AND experience in winning Eurovision. For those who wonder what happens if full agency is passed to the entrant without interference from the delegation, I refer you to Time, A Matter of.

The fines are awful though. Ukraine are such cheapskates for inflicting those upon their own entrants. No wonder ONUKA hasn't done Vidbir yet.

I wonder who you are and where are you from?)) even u are knowing about plans of Onuka.......

 

[Mykola]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

Our country has a tendency of destroying and humiliating talanted people. That's why they look for opportunities abroad, from artists to IT-specialists. The fact we still have so much talent inside means how strong our people against society and corrupted government machine.

Ask any talented, creative person here did he faced humiliation? Hell yes, one hundred of them would say so. Even I have faced big portion of this in school years when I was one of the best students and had success at literature, maths, chemistry etc, also played violin. Now I'm ordinary and completely different but those traumas from the past still influenced my personality...

Bullsh..t What about u??? (((
І це дуже помітно, як ці травми вплинули на твою "особистість."......та свідомість - хто ти є!!! Задай себе этот вопрос.

 

[Fierro]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

Bullsh..t What about u??? (((
І це дуже помітно, як ці травми вплинули на твою "особистість."......та свідомість - хто ти є!!! Задай себе этот вопрос.

Ти знаєш, що ти — людина.
Ти знаєш про це чи ні?
Усмішка твоя — єдина,
Мука твоя — єдина,
Очі твої — одні.

Більше тебе не буде.
Завтра на цій землі
Інші ходитимуть люди,
Інші кохатимуть люди —
Добрі, ласкаві й злі.

Сьогодні усе для тебе —
Озера, гаї, степи.
І жити спішити треба,
Кохати спішити треба —
Гляди ж не проспи!

Бо ти на землі — людина,
І хочеш того чи ні —
Усмішка твоя — єдина,
Мука твоя — єдина,
Очі твої — одні.

 

[Milos-BC]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

All these happenings in the background are very sad And they keep happening one year after another even though this is certainly not the place for such things.


The song itself is absolutely amazing and it's by far the best song of the season thus far. I hope everything stays the way it is. She won fair and square and she needs to be on that stage.


12 points.

 

[BorisBubbles]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

I wonder who you are and where are you from?)) even u are knowing about plans of Onuka.......

Just a Belgian amateur Eurovision blogger with a damn' sharp memory. . Nice to meet you ^__^

 

[Mrm]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

Hahahahahhhhaha a new one..

https://twitter.com/AlpHasSkeletons/status/1099654325964558337/photo/1

[MENTION=9441]RainyWoods[/MENTION]

This one was for you?

 

[sigi]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

FFF 2019

 

[QwaarJet]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

So she's confirmed her participation which is good news, but that contract is ridiculous. Poor lady, hope the EBU step in to support her as she shouldn't have to go through with that contract.

She hasn't signed the contract yet as far as I've seen, so her participation hasn't been confirmed. There hasn't been any word from official Eurovision of Ukrainian channels.

 

[njdevils94]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

https://escunited.com/ukraine-maruv-confirms-participation-and-details-uapbcs-contract-terms/

 

[Citelis]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

So we have happy end?

 

[wtf]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

https://escunited.com/ukraine-maruv-confirms-participation-and-details-uapbcs-contract-terms/

it would've been a loss for Ukraine and the whole Europe

 

[WhoKnows]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

I know emotions are running high about ~the contract, but do we know that those requirements are actually unreasonable? From what I heard, it's basically required that the broadcaster gets the rights to the song, no? It's also quite common that they have to sign off on any press and other performances that the act is doing, during the season. If that's the case, then what's all the outrage about?

I'm asking, I honestly don't know.

 

[Alaska49]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

not being allowed to improvise on stage is ridiculous micromanaging and asking maruv to cover all expenses is absurd considering they hosted an NF. maruv has made it there were other points she felt were unfair too. those two you mentioned are indeed not super out of the ordinary (though in my mind people should be able to give interviews at elast).

 

[WhoKnows]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

not being allowed to improvise on stage is ridiculous micromanaging and asking maruv to cover all expenses is absurd considering they hosted an NF. maruv has made it there were other points she felt were unfair too. those two you mentioned are indeed not super out of the ordinary (though in my mind people should be able to give interviews at elast).

Well, let's look at it from another perspective. Maruv's performance is probably going to be provocative to begin with. Any issues that EBU has with the live performance, if it comes to it, the channel would have to pay the fine. So they probably want to make sure it doesn't come to that.

I'm just trying to look at it from both sides. I don't necessarily think it's anything personal against Maruv by the channel. I could be persuaded with some evidence to the contrary, but so far, I think it's premature to pick up the pitchforks.

 

[blein]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

If Maruv will decline i hope Ebu will act and ban ukraine from this year contest.They invited Maruv themselfs and Anna Maria 2 , she won and now they force her to quit.

 

[Alaska49]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

Well, let's look at it from another perspective. Maruv's performance is probably going to be provocative to begin with. Any issues that EBU has with the live performance, if it comes to it, the channel would have to pay the fine. So they probably want to make sure it doesn't come to that.

I'm just trying to look at it from both sides. I don't necessarily think it's anything personal against Maruv by the channel. I could be persuaded with some evidence to the contrary, but so far, I think it's premature to pick up the pitchforks.

well, then the contract could be just that. "if your acts as the ukrainian representative incur in fines by the EBU on the channel then you will have to pay them for us". this effectively covers undesired improvisation and most forms of undesired political action.

also, the fact the fines on maruv are so expensive when she already has to pay for her participation does make it look personal. maruv said herself she felt as if they were teying to make her not sign it. i do think at least some pitchforks needed to be picked up. like two or three. but apparently she signed it today, so hopefully she got some of that shit renegotiatied.

 

[ggabriele]

Re: UKRAINE 2019 - Maruv - Siren Song

Am I losing my mind? The song sounds bad on its own, like who would listen to it on spotify? The only reason people like it is the cringey over sexualized staging.